When Liberals say the war in Iraq is Unjust and Illegal What evidence do they provide to support that it is?

Question

What makes the war unjust with facts and specific violations of international law is what I am looking for. Will all members of the US House be legally held responsible for the approval of the war if you can support that the war is illegal?I am not looking for opinions facts please.

Charlie I suggest you watch Fahrenhype 9/11

Crabby Bush went into Iraq with information from the CIA who many worked under the Clinton Administration. Are they legally responsible for the Unjust war now too?

way: does the geneva convention have anything about cutting off peoples heads and posting it on the internet.

Answer 1

Well they voted for it before they voted against it.
Flip flop.They have no values????

Answer 2

You'll find that the law and justice aren't always the same thing. But if you want a law violation--look at how the Geneva rules for interrogating prisoners, and look at the wild legal arguments put forth by the Bush Administration that makes the people they disappeared from Iraq and Afghanistan not only 'allowed' to be tortured, but also denied the basic human rights we claim we are trying to spread to that part of the world (things like being tried for your crimes, not being allowed to be held without evidence, being able to let your family know you are being held prisoner, etc.)

As to the injustice of the Iraq war, this is less black-and-white, so you'll have to make your own judgment call. Now that it is clear that there were no WMD development programs (the only WMDs found were basically in a garbage pile rather than properly discarded), the urgent reason that forced us into the war without waiting for the support of the rest of the world turned out to be crap. So we invaded a country, changed its government, and are attempting to secure its assets for our interests. Armed robbery is unjust, whether it is a man with a gun stealing your wallet or an army with many guns stealing your nation's resources. The worst part is that they aren't taking the oil for America, they are taking it for companies in America--so you pay the bill so that these companies get richer, while they raise prices on you!

Response to chat: Because if we are supposed to be the good guys, the spreaders of democracy, and the bringers of light into a dark corner of the world, we have to have some respect for all these things--otherwise we are just a bunch of gangbangers moving into their neighborhood--and should be dealt with. If you think chopping someone's head off on TV is worse than what the craziest americans do to them (lets see, gang raping fourteen year olds before killing them, for instance), you're wrong. And if you think killing civilians on TV is wrong, then I guess we are right--we censor those news clips before they are aired--we are so moral!

Answer 3

From what I understand, the proof they are using is from the fact that some information regarding the existence of weapons of mass destruction was fabricated. When they (the democrats mostly) supported the war, it was because they were being told there were weapons of mass destruction, and then it turned out to not be true. Also, people were led to believe that there was / is a direct link from Saddam to Al Quaida which has also been prooven to be false. So they say that the war is unjust because the justification was weapons of mass destruction. The illegal part I think comes from fabricating information into legal documents. I would imagine that everyone who authorized the war would be held, at least partially, responsible for that action. I think that's why many of the people who once favored the war are now saying that it was a "mistake," they're trying to soften the blow when and if it comes.

Answer 4

There are certain reasons for going to war allowed by international law: when attacked or just about to be attacked (we weren't), to avert humanitarian catasrophe (Saddam Hussein's mass murders had happend ten years before we invaded, so that doesn't apply); authorization by the UN, which we didn't have.

In fact, we were told that the war was a violation of International Law before we went.

I had thought that I could just hop on the UN site and find something, but it was harder than I thought.

Furthermore, not only was the invasion itself in violation, but, we unnecessarily targeted civilians (against the rules of war).

Our violations of the Geneva Convention and other treaties and agreements prohibiting torture, unhumane, and degrading treatment are all both unjust and illegal

You want to hold Congress responsible too (those who were there then, not those elected since), that works for me.

Congress abdicated their Constitutional duties and SHOULD be held responsible.

Sorry, haven't been able to cite chapter and verse; am still investigating, but reliable experts (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/lawindex.htm is a report Blair was given, explaining the illegality of that war, for example, I have others) all give pretty much the same kinds of arguments.

BTW, in response to one of your Additionals, the Geneva Conventions and the other agreements prohibiting torture pertain to the actions of governments, hence, criminal behavior of others aren't covered by them, but by other law.

Our government signed those agreements, the individuals you refer to didn't.

(Still wrong and illegal, but just not covered by that particular set of documents.)

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aha! score Found some relevant language.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/landmark/amajor.htm

click Uniting for Peace (language of choice) to get a .pdf document -- you're supposed to try peaceful means before resorting to war -- haven't yet read any more than that.

BTW, the UN inspectors were NOT finding evidence of a live WMD program (they found cobwebs and dust -- meaning it had been long discontinued).

There has never been any evidence that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, and much reason to believe it didn't (SH was a secular ruler, Bin Laden is fighting to theocracy -- they didn't have the same agenda).

Whew! that was harder than I thought, but I'm very good withe the searching skills.

Answer 5

none, they seem to forget that all but 1 democrat voted for the war... and when you remind them of this is pisses them off... I also like to remind them it was the clintons and Al gore that started with WMD and demanding bush do something... I really would like to see the Right fight back with a commercial of all the democrats demanding WAR!!!!.. then watching as they ran for cover...

personally I like it when I get someone that says international Law.. that always makes me laugh.... the UN passed 17 Law against saddam saying if you dont give proof about the weopons.. we will attack.. and we know he had them one time.. because he used them in 1988 and again in 1991. once in the iran / iraq war and again against his own people... now if he didnt have them.. the war is all his fault all he had to do was go to the UN and say hey look.. yes I had them but I got rid of them or here they are... at that point there would have been no war... easy as pie... even bill clinton said he was firing missiles at warehouse trying to destroy all the WMD he could before he left office... soo.. who lied... i will tell you...well no one really and everyone ... from the DNC to the RNC to saddam... noone can say they told the truthand noone can say anyone lied.. after 9/11 everyone was looking for pound someone into the sand.. people that point fingers and say he lied.. are just weak minded they need to go back and look a video tape of the DNC and clinton/gore/kerry all screaming for the president to blow something up.. any thing at all... so really when the left wing yells unjust war... they should watch what they say...if they want to toss out the people that started the war... that means every democrat in office today would have to leave as well

Answer 6

I'm not a democrat. Nor do I think you can have a legal or an illegal war. But the Iraq war has little to do with terrorism. The Iraqi regime under Saddam did not have a hand in 9/11. Some Iraqi citizens may have, but they're dead now, and the country doesn't deserve to be invaded (too late now). I don't blame anyone for taking issue with the Iraq war, it was a stupid move by our president that lacked thought and planning. Still, I'm not advocating that we just leave either.

Answer 7

The war was undertaken on the basis of false information. Bush lied about Iraq having WMD. He lied about Iraq having a connection to al-Qaida. In short, he invaded a sovereign nation which (however disgusting theSaddam regime) which was not a threat to the United States.

And that makes it an unjust war of aggression--and illegal under international law.

Answer 8

Does it make you a liar oh and a big fat hypocrite? if you say your worship the God of Israel and follow the ten commandments then tell others to go kill their brother?

HMMMM
MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL
Who's been eating the rottenest apple of all?

Answer 9

They are ALL as dumb as the day is long and NEVER have proof. All they want to do is say "This is wrong !!" But never say why, or have any ideas on how to fix it. I hate liberals like a rash !! Useless P.O.S.

Answer 10

I hope they dont use the Geneva Conventions. I am sure they know that it only applies to countries that signed it. And in their vast wisdom, they must also know that neither Iraq, nor Afghanistan signed.

Answer 11

Notice you have no "facts" yet?? They're too busy scurrying around the net trying to find some.