Machines are beautiful and nature's beauty hides the worst evils of the world; who agrees?

Question

There is no comprise between natural and artificial, the moment we started to think for ourselves on that day when we made the first tool we were destined to evolve into a conflict with nature. Today we only need her because we havn't evolved enough so it is only for parks. Nature is the savage animal inside us that tells us cheat, steal, cheat on our spouses and put ourselves above others. Kindness is human invention. Technology is how we will one day completly liberate our minds from the natural world; instinct, bodily chemicals, many emotions, this will perish along with our suffering. This is the true heaven.

I see beauty in the gears of a clock.

What do you think of me?

Nature created disease, we cured it.

Answer 1

This is one of the most genuinely interesting questions I have seen here in a while.

There are those who would say society corrupts. But if society corrupts, and man is born good, then how could something good ever make something bad?

I find clocks to be interesting as well, but tell me what provides the substance to make the clock? Nature.

End our suffering? It's like trying to cure a chicken of salmonella. You can help it for a while, but the chickens going to get it again. Why? Because the chicken is still going to eat its own crap. We can try to end our suffering, but we're going to find a new way to suffer. We seem to like being self-inflicting upon our own race if you haven't noticed.

We will be able to provide eternal life in the future(most likely), and I daresay slow, or eliminate the process of aging. But remember, with eternal joy and life in an imperfect world, comes eternal suffering as well.

You say we can use technology to seperate from human nature in order to create better society, eliminating the above mentioned problems with immortality, but then we are not even human! We will seperate ourselves from emotion? We are then going back to nature! We shall have become apes with chemicals (though it is debatable if we aren't already.) We are then degraded! If you cannot hate, then how can you know that you love?

This is then heaven? Heaven is haveing joy, with the ability to hate.

Stealing, or cheating, both of these require other people. And once we have destroyed nature, other people will be the onlly living thing we have. Does this not then mean that we will still kill? For as long as there is a slight inequality, there will be jealousy, and as long as there is jealousy, there will be theft.

Nature has also provided us the ability to make your "Utopia," after all, without metal, or anything found in nature, how could you create anything? So tell me this, if we are killiing the thing which has provided to us for so long, are we not being unjust!? For as nature has killed many of us, so have we killed much of nature.

Without man, nature would continue. Without nature, man would die.

Answer 2

so you love machines, nothing wrong with that. tools are important everywhere modern or primitive. humans are going to keep building more and there is a uniqueness in machines but they are no better than people. They wear out and break down like us and can get stressed. Mind you, nature is just as important, heck it helps power most of the technology. Wind, fire, water, and air. I'm not a druid I just know these elements are vital for al survival and if they went we would dies and no amount of machine would do any good. It's the basics, people created tolls and stuff and modeled alot after what nature does naturally. They are both important.

Answer 3

Humans will never be as accomplished as nature. Little gears are nothing. Cavemen had wheels. But modern science cannot do something as seemingly easy as making milk from grass. But cows can!
How can humans surpass nature if it was nature that gave life?

Answer 4

I see you as the reincarnation of someone along the lines of Josef Mengele, now that you ask:))) Get some help, please.

P.S. My intuition is that , actually, you are not like this at all, and just wish to see the responses. My answer is in the "same vein", but would stand for someone who was truly seriously of that ilk. :)

Answer 5

Machines are dead nature is alive.

Answer 6

as a machinist i hear ya