Abortion reduces crime rate more than any other measurable factor?

Question

Everyone knows here I am very conservative on almost every issue but I am pro-life because I think its the girls choice and sometimes when your on drugs or the child has no father its just better for society to abort the child.

I was reading this book "freakanomics" which is an excelent read, especially for the younger crowd, but it cited that in the 90's when abortion was legalized it was supposed to increase crime by 100% but actually dropped drasticly. This is because the youths who would normally be commiting crimes tend to come from poorer families or drug addicted mothers, and these are the kids who tend to be aborted.

Given this, will my fellow republicans maybe agree that although the bible may not condone abortion, and although in your family or with your daughter abortion is not a viable answer, that as far as the community as a whole it may actually be doing good for abortion to be legal?

Just wondering your thoughts on this.

"Uhhh...i think you mean 'pro CHOICE'.BTW, Bill Bennett caught hell for even discussing the book you are referencing. "


Im so sorry I did mean pro-choice.
And realyl why? It was a good book, althougha lot of it was mainly looking at the crack trade from an accountants point of view, lol.

@Duh

"Too bad they didn't abort you and get rid of your gene pool. "

Look man I am just wondering if these facts and statistics are true... to me it makes sense, IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD A BABY, OR YOU ARE ON DRUGS AND THE KID WILL LIVE A HORRIBLE LIFE OF CRACK DEPENDANCY AND AUTISM or if you jsut plain cant afford to feed the baby and it will end up startving, I jsut dont see the point in waiting untill its alive to kill it as opposed to aborting it before it can actually feel the pain. I agree no life should be wasted by sometimes I think not every life can be saved.

"sorry, abortion for use as a birth control only should be defined as murder. if you have to have sex, use birth control. its cheaper and it costs no one's life. simple and smart versus complicated and barbaric. "


I agree, but a large number of people who use borth control pills/condoms or a combination of both STILL get pregnant.


What about women who are raped? Should they be forced to keep the abby of an evil criminal inside of them?

"In order to keep from regressing back to the dark days of the back alley abortion scenario, Abortions will have to remain legal to save lives. I would however like to see more focus on the prevention of the pregnancy in the first place. "


This is what im saying, if the mother wants to abort it its going to be done, whether ina clinic or witha coat-hanger. I agree more abstinence education is necessary. And I dont think that the state should have to pay for it either because I dont believe in socialist ideas like that.

"Wow - so if we just kill all the poor people, we won't have any crime...do you see how scary that statement is? "



I did not say we should FORCE THE GENOCIDE OF THE POOR, I said the option shouldnt be there so if a girl doenst have the moeny to feed the kid or is addicted to drugs they can MAKE THE CHOICE to do it or not. I never intended on anything being forced.

Answer 1

why cant you right wingers and bible thumpers see that it's like this on most issues i agree with you 100% on this it may not be right for your family but it's good for the community to have the option if needed, why cant you approach drug use
gay marriage or any of the other hot topics with this sort of attiatude? i mean gay marrige may not be right for your family but it might be right for the ones who need it? oh like gay marrige will destory the american family and way of life.....just like legalizing abortion would raise crime levels by a 100%
it's just right wing propaganda to stop people from seeing how things really work

Answer 2

1

Answer 3

Hmmm. Interesting theory. We have the Career Ladies that abort a child because it will harm their future as well. Plus the Career man that runs and the Baby gets it too.
If they were to invest the money they waste at the designer stores, fast cars and holidays to places that are being mess up by the hotels and bars, we could have had children with the very best care. Public schools, nannies, more day care and a more child friendly society. Thus employing more people and no need for drugs and crime. Greed is the main drive for all vices. If more people have a sense of worth with a job and a place in the modern world, there would not be so many drop outs.

Answer 4

What? There is no proof you can give that says we've created a better society by condoning abortion. In fact, the opposite may be true. What do we have by the children of priveledge - the wanted ones? Murders in school, gangs even in RICH PRIVELEGED neighborhoods, and mass chaos. Maybe it's the top law enforcement officials and the ones who would have come up with the cure for AIDS whom we have in reality aborted. You don't know - because they aren't here to tell you what they could have done to make things better!

Human life and young people are incredibly resilient and some of the most amazing people have been born unwanted and underpriveledged. Simply ridiculous to say - what other factors may there have been that decreased the crime rate you speak of - and where is the source of these statistics you speak of - because you can't prove or disprove a person's life and what they could or could not become based on the place where they would have lived. Many a brain surgeon, basketball star, doctors and lawyers have come from the slums too! I'm quite sure that no good has come from abortion- as we teach people to devalue human life - like we're just animnals evolved from a mud puddle with no purpose or plan - we're teaching them to devalue life on all levels - playing god - but we're no better at this than Adam and Eve unfortunately. If God is real and he created human beings - no good could come from something that is created in His image and destroyed during it's most vulernable moments when it has only the voice of it's striving to live - even a heartbeat at 5 weeks!!!

Answer 5

I had not even considered that aspect. It makes sense.
Another issue many are not aware of, is the sterilization of the poor. A few yrs back I did some research on Norplant because I was having fertility problems. When it first became available the procedure had cost $500 for implantation and way more (can't remember how much) for removal. 5 inserts were put into the upper arm to be left in place for 5 yrs. Loss of period was touted to be one of the best aspects of the drug. Many women continued loss of period after removal resulting in infertility. The drug was given free to many poor women through the title 19 program. Many other poorer countries were given the drug long before the US and many women were also left infertile. I can't remember which country it was that had a large group trying to sue the manufacturer, but they were trying to prove that it was an attempt @ mass sterilization.

Answer 6

Why there are so many mamalones out there with a reason that makes no sense to make a mistake? Abortion is the biggest crime a person can commit. To answer your estupida question is because there are less people, Why? Because the biggest crime was done at the moment of the abortion. If you see it this way there also would be a lot less people saying and asking stupidities like this question ans the added comments to it. The right to make a choice isn't a free ticket to commit such a crime as the killing of babies of got nothing to do with that decision and with the immaturity done by their parents, if you are old enough to have sex you should be responsible for the consequences too and face them as a man or as a woman.

How sad is to see this, because people like this guy and the ones who are supporting his stupid comments is the reason because this world won't get any better.

Answer 7

I agree. no woman has an abortion just because- she lacks money, education, has bad health/the fetus might be unhealthy, she lacks maturity.

and children who are born with parents who don't or can't care for them end up on the wrong side of the law or in an otherwise negitive circumstance.

there have also been cases- even with legal abortions avalible- where a female was coerced into having a child she didn't want. that child is typically resented if not emotionally abused and neglected. this happens especially in cases of rape.

Answer 8

The 1990's abortion was legalized? I think you might to do some fact checking. Hmmmm, lets try to put two other unrelated things together and draw a conclusion. Since the airplane was invented crime has increased 1,000 times, therefore airplanes increase crime. Still not clear? Since the automobile was invented nuclear pollution has skyrocketed, therefor automobiles cause nuclear pollution. This does not necessarily cause that. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Answer 9

Actually abortion was allowed by the courts in the 70s and I don't think crime has gone down since... I'd argue that a natural consequence of surrendering to the mentality that it's okay to slaughter unborn children is society more prone to crime and I'm pretty sure the stats show that crime has increased since the 70s. And the reality is that we now have a million homicides a year occuring in abortion clinics alone, the fact that they aren't considered homicides by the FBI doesn't negate that. The numbers were nowhere near that high in 1972.

Even were that not the case, I don't think that lower crime rates would justify continuing the slaughter of the pre-born.

Answer 10

I don't want to interfere on this personal decision despite my personal feelings because I'm not God, I don't know the answer, and I don't think the government does, either.

However, I am not comfortable with the idea of allowing abortion because the people born would be 'problem people'.

With such overpopulation (did you know the UN just predicted over 9 billion people by 2050 in mid range numbers?) I think there are other reasons to bow out of the decision, but choosing who should be born gives me the creeps.

Sorry.

Concealed carry states drop crime too, at least violent crime. Let's work on the other 28 states that don't have it yet, instead.

Answer 11

"...yet there appears to be like a correlation between the Roe V Wade selection and the dropping of crime rates in the Nineties..." Correlation does no longer advise causation. it truly is a person-friendly theory of common sense. in spite of if the Roe v. Wade selection did cut back crime, that doesn't make it morally justified. In dictatorships, crime rates are ridiculously low, because you receives your hand decrease off in case you dedicate against the law. that doesn't make a dictatorship a strong form of authorities, or the prepare of hand-slicing a strong coverage, or the killing of fetuses a strong concept.