Do you believe in the myth of "Islamic Fascism"?

Question

If you do, you should remember your history: all the true fascists were Christians: Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, Papadopoulos, and the Lebanese falangists.

Answer 1

I don't think there is Islamic fascism per se because fascism involves corporate and corporations involvement and control over the government. I do believe there are elements of fascism and brutality in Islam that was witnessed with the Taliban in power and what is going on in Saudi ARabia etc. Absolutely there are totalitarian brutalities that exist.
BTW, not all christians catered to hitler and the Nazi's. There are very liberal Christians in the world who don't harbor hatred and fascism in their hearts.
I also believe that American or Western style democracy will never take hold in the mid-east by forcing it down their throats. they are a very theocratic bunch. Theocracy and Democracy cannot and will never co-exist in one system of government. The very nature of democracy is secular not theocratic.

Answer 2

So, Muhammad didn't massacre entire villages, such as Gurayza, to spread his religion, his successors didn't invade entire regions such as northern India and massacre people of other faiths? The Muslims DIDN'T do to the Indian Buddhists what the Nazis did to the European Jews? The Hadiths DON'T say that these things happened? The Koran DOESN'T say to kill people of other religions?

Interesting........ Either you have never read the Koran or Hadiths or your powers of reading comprehension are poor.

There are fascists of every walk of life but some fascists are fascists as part of their religion. You can call it extreme Islam, radical Islam, whatever - the fact is that it is literal Islam and historical Islam.

I know some Muslims and some of them are nice people - very nice - but there's a disconnect. You can't just say "oh, you're silly if you think the Koran means that" - it SAYS it.

Judaism and most branches of Christianity went through a process where the leaders stood up and said hold on folks, yes it says some violent things but we have to reinterpret this for modern times.

Islam has never done this.

And the task is a lot greater because of the huge differences in scope and scale - - - more people are killed for Allah in one year than died in the entire 350 years of the Inquisition. The relationship to the religion's roots is different too - Muhammad himself was very violent, while Jesus was not - - - - so it's not a matter of simply explaining that idiots who committed violence in the founder's name actually committed a foul against the founder, but rather that the founder's example itself must be retranslated for modern times.

Now, does that mean the task is impossible?

No - nothing is impossible.

But it means that Muslim leaders need to stand up, admit that the Koran and Hadiths say these things, admit that Muhammad was an extremely violent person, that he led countless raids that were NOT provoked or instigated by the victims, and that these texts and examples must be reinterpreted to be acceptable in modern society.

This HAS NOT HAPPENED.

And THAT is why there are so many people interpreting Islamic history and text violently - because that is the literal translation. You can't blame uneducated followers for taking the religion at its word, given no other guidance!

What those followers do, what Muhammad did, is Islamofascism - he killed off tens of thousands of people who belonged to other religions, he spared a few and gave them second-class citizen status, assigning them a special tax, selling their children off into slavery, taking their wives.

Sounds a lot like fascism, doesn't it?

I'm not saying Moderate Islam is a myth - only that it has an obligation to explain that it is something other than literal Islam.

Answer 3

There is more and less than you note.

Strictly speaking extremist religious theocrats are not likely to be found openly advocating Corporate domination as their primary focus, which is the usual definition of Fascism.

The other aspects commonly associated with fascism, extreme eliminationism, bully tactics, Fanatic followers, secret subversive societies etc. are not just limited to Corporatism, but common in Theocratic extremists as well.

There is also a strain of Theocratic extremist, that does however support great wealth for their leadership, as a means of acting in concert with Corporate financial domination, as a means of funding their Social domination.

I have always thought of these as TheoFascists. This thinking is most clear in the Chrstianist, and Kahanist (Jewish), variants of the group, but have so much in common with the Islamic variants, it would be reasonable to include them among the TheoFascists as well.


The other aspect of your question, is how "Real" they are as an organized group, that could come invade and take over the United States. This part is of course ludicris as while there are a great many people who hate the US and even many who would go out of their way to do damage to us, their numbers are way too few to do more than rare assaults on groups of people. Being a smaller threat to the average American than drunks, drug dealers, or even local police, who all kill more people than terrorists, if not in such large groups, or so dramatically.

Answer 4

Hitler was a Teutonic Pagan. Mussolini was a Catholic who wanted to restore the Roman Empire.

Fascism is a political and economic identity, not a religious identity. Fascism is the act of nationalizing industry, regulating commerce in the extreeme, socialistic policies of welfare, militirization of the state, and regulation of private morality.

Of all muslim states, only three are not either monarchies or baathist regimes. Those three are capitalists. The rest are socialists and nationalists. Seems to me the burned of proof for contrarism is on your shoulders my friend.

Answer 5

No, Fascist dogma embraces the connection between the military establishment , the corporate elite and a tendency toward ethnic cleansing. The Islamists have never been that organized.

Answer 6

I really don't think one has anything to do with the other. Your question is quite prejudiced in and of itself suggesting all fascist are Christian. I'm neither Christian or Islamic and I can't see it as a myth based on your observations of history.

Answer 7

No i don't !! Because i m very much aware of the reality !!

The funny thing is that when Afghanis were fighting agaisnt Russia and US was supporting them through Osama, They were called the "rightous religious fighters" and was proud of helping them but when they got rid of russia and Now America is invading them the same group is now called "the Afghanis terrorist, islamic fascists , etc who is fighting agaisnt them and this is the same group america had trained agaisnt russia !! What a hypocricy ..Ooops i mean 'change' ! its realy nice to see that even 'dictionary' changes the meanings with change of American choices !!

Answer 8

Well, given that a "myth" is inherently untrue, a fitting answer is unavailable. “Islamic Fascism”, however, is a known fact. Unless, of course, you think that Saddam Hussein was not a dictator.
* This, in no way, takes away from the lengthy history of Christian Fascism. It too, is not a myth.

Answer 9

Islamo-fascism....the new buzz word in america and coined by fox news. Meanwhile in raelityville, USA. we're being invaded by mexico, our dollar is falling, our economy is hanging on by a thread and we're out running around looking for a threat that literally does not exist here at home! Fight terrorism, not iraqi's. Secure our borders and rebuild america!

Answer 10

That simply isn't true. Mussolini, Mau, Lenin, and Stalin were all staunch atheists. Fascism occurs with or without religion.