What say neocons to this bit of news?

Question

This is on Yahoo's front page right now:

"Four in five Iraqis have little or no confidence in U.S.-led forces and most think their presence is making security worse, but despite that only about a third want them to leave now, a poll showed on Monday."

Methinks perhaps they like the comfort of not having to provide their own security, but they're criticizing the hell out of what we're doing.

Cons?

Nicolasrage: You answered your own question. The problem is that you people assume that, because liberals are in favor of ending the war, that means we think we can send all the troops plane tickets for flights tomorrow. We know that we can't. But we want a plan to get them out of there. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Not tomorrow. So I'm not sure what your point here is.

Answer 1

You make a good point there with the seeming contradiction between thinking us the problem, but not wanting us to leave.

Obviously, it seems that the Iraqi government has not been able to step up and take on its own security matters enough. It also seems that many Iraqis would like a peaceful and secure future, but not enough to fight for it.

But maybe even that is not accurate. Perhaps that people that have been oppressed under a tyrant's thumb for 30 years are incapable of the initiative and self-action that free peoples normally consider second nature. They fear to act on their own, and have come to expect government to take care of everything. They don't really understand that under their constitution, THEY are the government, THEY are the power, THEY are the ones who make the difference.

Until they understand this viscerally, they will always look helplessly to the government, never knowing the power they have in their own hands.

Answer 2

Why would they have confidence in US led forces...do you not think that they see our news and read our papers....we are subverting our own military! If the poeple of the US, if the Congress of the US cannot back its own forces why would they....but like the left they know they need us and want us there. The liberals hate the military, but when push came to shove they would want our help too.
Again polling is always gonna be skewed, depends who you ask and how you ask it. The Iraqis that I was around and the vilalges that we provided security for appreciated us being there and helped us with intel. The Iraqis that fight along side US forces are glad we are there and are eager to take responsibility for their country. And a poll doesn;t show that they are criticizing the hell out of what we're doing.
ReReading that poll it makes no sense....our presense is making security worse. They may believe it is making the country mroe dangerous, but by default having 150K troops would make security better than not having them. That makes absolutly no sense as it is worded. I would liek to knwo the actual question asked to obtain that rediculous quote....

Answer 3

Try to get unbiased news. This is a poll of all of Iraq as opposed to, which I am sure, one segment of the population which is a premise for liberal news of not reporting the true facts, I will copy a few captions from the article which is the biggest and broadest poll to date of 5,019 Iraq's nationwide. Published March 18th

Baghdad residents had significantly improved since polling carried out before the US announced in January that it was sending in a “surge” of more than 20,000 extra troops

The poll shows that by a majority of two to one, Iraqis prefer the current leadership to Saddam Hussein 's regime, regardless of the security crisis and a lack of public services.

49 percent of those questioned preferred life under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, to living under Saddam. Only 26 percent said things had been better in Saddam's era,.The poll suggests a significant increase in support for Maliki as of September last year found that only 29 percent of Iraqis had a favorable opinion of the prime minister.

Some 53 percent of Iraqis nationwide agree that the security situation will improve in the weeks after a withdrawal by international forces, while only 26 percent think it will get worse

What does this say you ask. The troop surge was needed and is working, the Iraq people believe the government is better by a 2/3 margin when compared to Sadam and the people are growing more optimistic with the democracy. Next time get the complete news, not a sliver of the truth that the liberals spew at you. Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Answer 4

4 out of 5 have no confidence in U.S. forces and most think their presence is making security worse. But 2/3rds want them to stay? Why would you want them to stay if you have no confidence in them and they are making things worse? Something wrong with that statement.

I have attached a link to a Times story that is the exact opposite. What bothers me so much about your question and the way it is phrased, it appears that you hope things don't go well. You hope America fails because it would help you somehow politically. I hope that is not correct.

Your sarcastic "methinks" comment is odd, too. If they thought we were making their security worse then no one is providing security. How would that give them comfort that they don't have to do it either?

Methinks you should re-thinks.


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Answer 5

I think it shows the Iraqi's are guilty of a bit of false bravado. Being a Republican who just recently has converted to Libertarianism, I have a rather new outlook on this "war". I think your right about yhem being fine with not having to provide their own security, but that will be coming to an end sooner than later. Publicly they have to criticize us or look like US puppets and don't want that perception. I think we need to begin a gradual drawdown of troops beginning June 1 and ending not on a mandated timetable, but a secret timetable agreed upon by both parties.

Answer 6

I don't buy into every poll but with what you give let me tell what I think. While they may not have much confidence they understand that the US is their only hope at this point. We toppled their government and like it or not we must now help to stabilize a country. The death toll to our troops has been very small considering that it is a war. The Iraqi's don't want the western world to run their country but they don't want to die at the hands of the radicals either.

Answer 7

It is Clinton's fault. He left Reagan II a recession. The Iraqis should be happy they have the ability to support a slow bleed approach. They don't support the troops and want to cut and run. There is a liberal bias. Valerie Plame sent Joe Wilson to Niger after she gave Al Gore a million dollars under the name of her CIA cover operation so she was not covert. Global warming is a liberal conspiracy to bankrupt the country. Free market economics is the way to go. Why do you have freedom. We need more Jack's from 24 to help us win the war on terror. We need to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. Liberals hate Christians. We need to build more prisons and put more police on the streets. We need a military with more weapons. Liberals are immoral.

So next time you wonder what it is they are going to say, just pick one of the above answers. Or you can turn on Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity that way you wont have to ask on here you can get it straight from the source.

Answer 8

If I believe the poll that 66% of Iraqi's want the US to stay it does soften my position on keeping troops in Iraq. If they want us to stay I feel obligated because we messed up their country so bad.

Most American's think Saddam was involved with Binladin but Saddam would have tortured and killed Binladin faster in Iraq than if he walked into CIA headquarters in Langley Virginia in full costume today. Sadam had a secular government and Binladin was for a religious government. And they were different sects, Suni and Shiite with a long history.

Answer 9

sure ... that is obscene, although that is not any longer a NEOCON concern. supply credit the place credit is due (pardon the pun) - the NEOLIBS are the two to blame. Reminder: Paulson is now asking for Congress to launch the different 0.5 of the TARP money $350 billion. do we take a seat and don't something or do we notice stress to our representatives to end that? i comprehend it incredibly is a drop interior the bucket while in comparison with the $8++ trillion the fed has "loaned" to banksters and elite company interest, yet it incredibly is not any excuse for no longer performing as quickly as we are able to - we would desire to maintain the stress on the politicians.

Answer 10

I think they skewed the numbers like the other stories of today.

They claim the majority of americans want the troops home "as soon as possible". While only 16% want immediate troop withdrawl.

Everyone wants them home as soon as possible! But that doesn't mean today, or tomorrow! It means when they are done.

So, I don't have any faith in their poll to the "average" iraqi
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There is a plan to get them out as soon as possible. To think that conservatives and republicans don't want our troops home, is ludicrous! We realize that they are there for a reason, and they have a job to do. When that is finished, then we can bring them home.

Most liberals want to bring them home before the job is finished.