Further to my 14 Year old getting excluded for 10 days?

Question

I asked a question earlier about my 14 year old being excluded for 10 days. I notice that quite a few teachers have responded by saying that a disruptive child in the class needs excluding and the parent should be responsible for discipling the child.

When i was at school a long time ago now, we got the slipper, the cane, and occasionaly the football boot across the rear end. I appreciate now that is this climate of no hitting parenting and teaching this is now considered in-appropriate, which again is another matter for debate.

What i would like to know is though, a teacher can be very tuff without being physical, take for instance an army sergeant major. Children can be scared to death of this sort of teacher, but scared in a good way that shows respect. A teacher who just calls the headmaster and gets the child excluded for a bit of back chat is in my view a very weak teacher..

Do people agree or not....?

Answer 1

I agree mate I answered your other question these days schools are more bothered about pass rates rather then coman sence they try to get the problem kids gone so they can have an easy time of teaching the bright kids. The standard of education is terrible as they are just giving these kids a holiday every time they mis behave

Answer 2

RSMs use the threat of physical hardship and/or violence to instill fear in new recruits.
A teacher can not use this leverage, and neither should they have to.
By the time your child is 14 and in secondary school teaching becomes less about teaching discipline and respect and more about the imparting of knowledge, and an exclusion is only ever used as a last resort to remove a disruptive pupil from the classroom.
Having witnessed situations like this before, from both sides, the chances of your child being given a temporary exclusion just for abusive language (which is different from "back chat") are slim. I suspect that this event may have been the culmination of an ongoing problem.
The problem with exclusions are that they do not address the problem, merely postpone it.
Is your child well behaved and respectful at home? If so then there may well be a problem at school. Speak to them about whatever is bothering them and try to work with the school to find a resolution that is to everyones advantage.

Answer 3

Teachers don't have time to break each student down and then build them up again the way that an army sergeant does. You should have taught your child to show respect to the teacher just because of the effort that he is putting in trying to give him a good education. If the teacher spends a lot of time on your disruptive child, he is not spending time teaching all of the other children in the classroom.

I do not agree, however, on the use of suspension or exclusion as a means of punishment. The child should at least be given an in-school suspension in order to encourage attendance and not give the child time to just play video games at home while his parents are probably at work. I have also found that out-of-school suspensions and other exclusionary practices increase the drop-out rate among those students. You should make sure that you encourage your child to get involved in extracurriculars/sports in order to increase his bond with the school and discourage him from dropping out. Perhaps joining a sports team will teach him discipline and respect.

Answer 4

I have to take my hat off to anybody who would want to be a secondary school teacher in this day and age, they are held to ransom and are virtually powless to dicipine xhildren now because of human rights and over protective parents. The cane was still around when i was in primary school and was abolished while i was in second school and the mear thought of having the cane even though i never had it gave me enough sence to behave. Alot of children have little respect for elders now and this stems from their parents. I am all for punishment being brought back to the classroom but unfortunatly i dont think it will happen. Teachers are there to teach and a disruptive child who they are powerless to dicipline makes teaching near impossible.

Answer 5

Ok i'll say it again,

I am there to educate not to be abused

Nor am i there to scare the living daylights out of the one disruptive child, and make all of the other well behaved children think im some kind of tyrant!

I consider myself to be a tool used for moulding the bright young people of the future, and to do that i find it easier to be an approachable teacher.

Id rather the disruptive children were excluded so the kids that want to learn and want to behave dont have their education tarnished by the class clown or loud mouth!

If you want a "sargeant major" send your kid to military school

If you want your kid educated, you could start by teaching him manners, perhaps starting with....

Dont backchat!

Maybe once you've taught him the basics, he'll be fit to rejoin his classmates and get the education he needs!

Answer 6

Usually when I hear parents whining about exclusions, it is because it interfers with their life. i.e., having to find another arrangement to watch little johnny, while they have to go to work. I am not saying this is the cause here. But you say a little bit of back chat? how often has your 14 yr old done this in the past? isn't it the parents responsibilty to teach respect for your elders. Apparently your kid is not afraid of you, yet you want others to be the bad guy.

Answer 7

Easy for you to say, have you seen some of the school kids these days, teachers regulaly get attacked and beat up, not because they are weak, I don;t think there is such a thing as a weak teacher, it is not a job I would enter into and remember teachers cannot hit back, why should they be blamed for where you have failed as a parent.

Answer 8

Disagree why should your disruptive child ruin all of the other children chance of learning ?

You being the parent need to sort them out teachers are there to teach

Answer 9

I don't see how excluding a child helps. Surely they are not being punished by being sent home. They are getting a holiday.
Keep them in school and if necessary keep them in at break times, have them taught away from their class mates give them detention. That's got to be a better deterrent than sending them home.

Answer 10

yes i agree 100%..its not teaching the child anything as nowadays a lot of kids dont want to go school anyway do they? i think kids should be kept in school and be punished so that they think twice about doing wrong in the 1st place!! these days kids deliberately be naughty so they are sent home..i know i did and that was when i was 14..im nearly 26