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Does the phaetsos disk conatain characters from the Indus?
please cite your sources. don't answer if you don't know. seriously, I'm not asking a homework question, I'm not desperate, just curious!

And if the greeks had coppies of characters from the Indus valley, what do you think this means?

2007-03-16 17:24:46 · 4 answers · asked by The greatest and the best. 5 in Arts & Humanities History

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I, too, am fascinated by the Phaistos disk. I have read extensively onm it...and the plain truth of the matter is, they still have not deciphered it. It remains an archaeological enigma.
The geographical distance between India and Crete does not rule out the possibility of this suggested connection. India was a part of the same cultural complex that produced the civilizations of the Fertile Crescent and their many common basic beliefs.
My only problem with the "language" of the disk being Indus is that we know how to decipher the Indus languages, for the most part.
I think it is proto-Indus, perhaps Babylonian, Sumerian or even connected to Dilmun. My reasoning is this...Sumerians used a type of stamped and fired clay tablets, the only cultures that we know did this. Also, Sumerians are known for round stamped objects. We are still unraveling Sumerian, and some of the characters on the disk simply cannot be placed in context with later Indus valley script. Also, from what examples we do have of the script of Dilmun, there is a very pronounced connection with the symbols on the PHaistos disk. Additionally, Dilmun was thriving during the time frame in which the Pahistos disk is placed, but shortly after Dilmun seems to have simply disappeared. Also, Dilmun was known as a trade hub for major Indo-Europeans civilizations.
There is a connection with proto-Byblic. The Proto-Byblic script was used in the early part of the 2nd millenium BC, a time contemporary with the supposed date of the Phaistos Disk. The underlying language of the Proto-Byblic script was Semitic. It is a linear script which displays many identifiable objects, like weapons, human figures, and body parts.
As for the Cretans having copies of the Indus script, that is very likely. In Crete can be found the double ax head symbol, which can be traced to the cult of the Great Mother which flourished in what is now modern day Turkey. The same area, incidentally, that Troy is placed in. Additionally, archaeologists have made a strong case for the inhabitants of the Anatolian plateau having migrated there from the area of Crete, and vice versa.
Also, Greece was legendary as a supplier of goods from the Indus area.

2007-03-17 02:15:46 · answer #1 · answered by aidan402 6 · 2 0

Aidan402’s answer is informative and contains lots of facts. However, I would like to add some of my own.

It is obvious that the characters on the disks are glyphs. Although, in concept, they are similar to the ancient Egyptian's writing, they are not as complicated as the Egyptian’s glyphs. It is also obvious that the creation of the disks is similar, in method, to the Sumerian and Babylonian’s. Cylindrical seals and baking of the clay strongly connect the disks to Sumeria and Babylonia, Dilmun included. Looking for the herb of eternal life, Dilmun was Gilgamesh's destination when he was on quest for meeting with UTNA-BISH-TIM (the man who lived for a long time); the Sumerian NOAH whom he thought he knew where the herb existed.

However, it is worth mentioning that the Phoenicians; merchants and sea farers and a stone throw from Crete, invented a mundane, easy, and quick way of writing which they used for handling their daily transaction,; a concept which I believe had influence on the ease of writing on the disks when compared with the ancient Egyptian’s.

Tow important trade hubs at the time; Dilmun’s connections to the Indus valley, and Phoenicia’s connection to Dilmun, the Fertile Crescent and Crete, and the fact that some of the characters on the disks simply can not be placed in context with later Indus valley script, tip the balance in favor of the Fertile Crescent. On top of that, I believe the cult of the Great Mother Goddess migrated from the Fertile Crescent to both the Indus valley and Anatolia, known in Sumeria as the cult of Goddess ENNANA. Statues dicovered in the Indus valley show a striking similarity between them and ENNANA depictions on the Sumerian tablets. ENNANA was the wife of ENKI who is also known as EA; and important Sumerian God.

http://users.otenet.gr/~svoronan/phaisto...
http://home.att.net/~phaistosdisk/ph.htm...
http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi3.h...

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/GILG.HTM
http://www.crock11.freeserve.co.uk/gilgamesh.htm

I hope I have shed more light on the subject

2007-03-17 20:00:18 · answer #2 · answered by Aadel 3 · 2 0

The glyphs on the Phaestos disk are neither Indus nor cuniform, and the people who made it were not Greek; they were either Minoans or - if the disk was a trade item that came to Crete from somewhere else - they are unknown. The signs are pictograms, perhaps representing syllables of words, but no one has successfully decyphered the disk.

2007-03-17 08:52:12 · answer #3 · answered by dognhorsemom 7 · 0 2

the disk of phaestos did not have characters from the indus. I believe that it was a form of cuniform developed by the phoenicians or in mesopotamia.. so the best rivers fro you to look at are tigris and euphrates

2007-03-17 06:05:47 · answer #4 · answered by bob j 3 · 0 1

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