A question for homosexuals???

Question

OK, there has always been a debate on whether or not homosexuality is a chosen trait, or if people are born with it. Many homosexuals will argue, however, that the jury is in on that topic and it is 100% final: Homosexuality is a genetic trait. I am only here to make you think about that some more, not to get your panties in a bunch, so to speak.

One common example I have heard is a homosexual saying “I never chose to be homosexual, I just feel that way.” Well, what if it was a subconscious decision made when you first reached puberty, or even before that? Of course, no one said “Well, I think I’ll be gay”. But maybe your brain decided it for you.

Let me explain. I prefer brunette women. In fact, I do not even find blonde women attractive, although many men do. I never decided one day to prefer brunette women, I just do. One day, my brain made a subconscious decision that brunettes are really hot, and blondes are not.

However, I do not think that preference is coded into my DNA. I was not BORN liking brunettes, I just became that way. Could homosexuality be the same way? Could it be a subconscious decision made by your brain, not a genetically encoded “fact”?

Why or why not? And PLEASE do not tell me “I don’t remember choosing to be a homosexual”, because that obviously shows your ignorance to the word “subconscious”. Also, many people say “Well, I just KNOW it’s genetic”. Well, I just KNOW there is a God, so it’s a fact, right? Wrong. Feelings are not PROOF.

BTW, there has been NO scientific proof either way. The closest you will get is “studies have shown that…” There has been suggestive evidence, but nothing definitive.

Sooooo, what do you people think?

Answer 1

well, from the longest period ago, till my memories go, I only know that I liked women
never had a crush or the want to have that with a boy. And if you are only 4, you don't know that it is different. I can't get my mind at your statement that my brains said at a later age; sooo, you will like women, instead of men.

I don't think their was a switch in my mind, a moment or so that made my brains decide not to like men. I think this is so deep in my personality, ghost, mind or character. (you name it I got it ;-) I don't know. I don't really agree with you.

Answer 2

Well to start as a blonde I must say I feel a little miffed at your not finding blonde woman the epitome of beauty and desirability. Now then it seems that you are arguing that it is a subconcious choice to be homosexual that was made without our realizing that we made a choice. I can't disprove your statement in any meaningful way but it offers no discernable proof that it is accurate. Many people get tripped up with the idea that we we do things subconciously but we don't know that we did it since it was a subconcious action. While many things happen that I was there for, but that I don't remember, doesn't mean that everything I don't remember making a choice on was done on a subconcious level. I don't remember deciding to have blonde hair but it isn't a subconcious choice either. A better comparison would be right handed and left handed. Many left handed people used to be forced by teachers to learn to write right handed and do other things right handed. In many ways they seemed to have become right handed and functioned like the rest of the right handed world, but in reality they were still left handed they had just learned to adjust. We have given up the idea that everyone should be right handed and that if they are not right handed then they are somehow wrong. Instead we accept that some people are left handed and it isn't a defect and that it doesn't need to be changed. Isn't it about time we do the same thing towards homosexuality and accept that it is natural and doesn't need to be changed? Or perhaps you now want to argue that people subconciously decide to be left handed.

Answer 3

A "subconscious" decision is by its own nature a decision you have no control over. So why even bring that into the discussion? A decision made on subliminal factors, unless you're some kind of psychic, is not admissible as scientific evidence, suggestive or otherwise. It all comes down to our limited knowledge of genetics and their expression in an animal (not to be crude) with an intelligence matching that of humans. For example, a penguin can be gay. It just doesn't KNOW it's gay, as far as we know. Humans are very aware of their sexuality, and the differences in members of our population. It's like natural selection with a vengeance.

Answer 4

Why does it matter one way or the other? Would you marry a blonde woman? Probably not, because you are not attracted to them. Is that wrong? No, it's your preference, you didn't choose to not like them, you just don't, so that's what you act on. All I've ever said about the subject is that I know it wasn't a choice for me. I like women, I don't like men. That's why I date women, the same reason why you date brunettes.

Answer 5

I don't know why you are asking the question but... I think that being gay or lesbian or whatever is truly what you are born with. Because if it was a choice then people who don't "want" to be gay could change it. You not liking blonde's is something so psychologically different its not even in the same ball park. You not liking blonde's is probably from something in your past like that's what your dad liked or most of your friends. Things like hair and eye color are actually LEARNED TRAITS... Which means you learned to like them and like them so much now that you FEEL you can't change them. Being a lesbian, bi, or gay are not learned traits they are things you cant change. You can ignore it but you can't change it.

Answer 6

Let me ask YOU a question:
Why would you choose something that causes you to be ostracized and ignored by your family, harassed and frowned upon on the streets, denied housing, work, food, basic social services, beaten up, kicked out of schools and businesses, looked upon as a deviant, and given the same kind of treatment as a bad dog? In the past, left-handed people were branded EVIL (latin for Left is SINISTRO...sound familiar) and so were attempted to be trained for their right hand. just as this is uncomfortable and unsuccessful, you cannot un-gay a homosexual person. Given the choice of being happy and accepted by being "normal' and living who and what you are, why would any sane person CHOOSE to be ridiculed and beaten up?

Answer 7

I believe that it is more accurate from a biological standpoint to say that "There are as many [human] sexes as there are people" (Jon A Stoltenberg). Carl Jung as well as myself have theorized about something called "dynamics" (Carl Jung calls them "spycho-dynamics") I see dynamics as connected to every single part of human consciousness of the world around us Dynamics are a social, psychological, intellectual, emotional, spiritual, and physical understanding people have of how every single thing they are aware of, consciously or unconsciously work together to produce the realities we perceive as the world around us.

Because Dynamics form during every moment of our existence, people develope different dynamics. (It can be said that we do not have a single reality but several similar realities, because of dynamics) . It is the reason why we walk into a coffee shop and people are wearing different things. If we all understood reality (again, emotional, physical, social, psychological, etc) the exact same way, with the exact same dynamics, we would be wearing the same outfits! Not only this, but dynamics build from everything that has ever happened before (from even before a person is born).

Reality is a frame of reference. Therefore, dynamics can literally live in the cells of our bodies. Are we any sexual orientation before birth? I'm not sure if we can ever say that with 100% certainty and I think that there are more important things than locating the "Gay" gene (besides, groups are already waiting to find it so they can do selective abortions to rid the population of homosexuals... and some thought finding the gene would be a good thing...)

However, if there are as many many human sexes as there are humans, this would mean that 1) homosexuality (and all other sexual orientation) is a dynamic that all things from the beginning of human existence (assuming there was a beginning) lead to the dynamic of homosexuality; every person who has ever dropped a quarter, stepped on an ant, chewed bubble gum, had "heterosexual" intercourse with their spouse, taught a sermon in a church, etc, EVERYTHING lead to the dynamic of homosexuality (not just a "tolerance" of it. even persecution lends to the dynamic)

2) Homosexuality could not be "wrong" as we would all be sexual with sexes different than our own. (Heterosexual means different sex, however, contemporary connotations attached to heterosexual mean "different sex" within the scope of a cultural understanding of human bodies and a binary sex and gender social system (the binary sex system is not a law, it is a theory. A very widely publicized theory and accepted by the general populace as fact because it has been recycled through social institutions for so long that people now accept it as fact and have provided far stretching, shakey explanations for every time the universe gives us contraversial information about sexes.

3) Because of the existence dynamics, it is Philosophically correct to say that people are both born homosexual (or any other sexual orientation) and not born as any sexual orientation.

Amiko-Gabriel Stocking
Director of Gender Schmender (International)
Co-Director of Intersexes Are Human (ISAH) (International)
Gender Center Board of Directors (USA, Oregon)
Awarded Oregon's 2007 Top Student Scholars Award.

"It is the people who fail to fit the pattern whose legitimacy is questioned rather than [the legitimacy] of the pattern itself." From, Women & Men in World Cultures, Laura F. Klein, 2004

PS that physical/emotional attraction you have to brunettes? Dynamics ^_~

Answer 8

You need proof of your own before you can make a statement like, "BTW, there has been NO scientific proof either way. The closest you will get is “studies have shown that…” There has been suggestive evidence, but nothing definitive."

Until you provide your own proof my proof trumps yours. = ) Read my sources for my proof. By the way, my proofs are certified by the American Psychology Association http://www.apa.org and the American Psychiatric Association http://www.psych.org They say that the studies done are not only certifiable but very definitive.

Answer 9

LOL, you aren't doing anything but trying to use variations of a theme to disguise your complete lack of understanding. www.hrc.org is far closer to right than anything you have put forth.
Your "preference" for brunette women isn't coded into your dna but the fact that you find women sexually attractive but not men, brunette or otherwise is.

Answer 10

You're full of sh*t. Why the hell do you like the opposite sex? Is it because you just prefer them, but genetically speaking your DNA predisposes you to have sex with both men and women? You should ask yourself the same quesitons.