For the Pro-Abortion arguers?

Question

The argument you have regarding pro-lifers supporting the death penalty. Those convicted felons had a chance at life and made the wrong decision. Those aborted babies never had the chance at life to make ANY decisions. How can you compare the two?

And, yes, I do consider a fetus a baby.

Fine then, Pro-Choice..............the question remains the same!

Answer 1

I don't support abortions on demand. I also know that innocent people have been given the death penalty so it should be deterred and only used for 100% certainty verdicts.

Murdering an innocent man/woman based on circumstantial evidence is just as heinous as abortions for convenience.

Answer 2

"jhl"! You're breakin my heart! No one is "pro-abortion". Thats sick! The decision to be pro-choice is based on the belief that there are extreme situations that may call for the termination of a pregnancy, and pro-choice advocates don't think that the government should be able to tell a 13 year old rape victim that she MUST go through with the pregnancy, even though it may cost her, her sanity and possibly her life in the long run. Its a fact that most rape victims, without help, try and commit suicide at some point in their life. Can you imagine how many more suicide attempts there'd be if the victim had to carry the child of her rapist??? Would you do that to your sister? Your daughter?? Come on!

Answer 3

There are many people who are anti-abortion who are so for religious reasons but the major religions are very much pro-war. So actually my argument is that one can't be 'pro-life' and 'pro' anything that causes intentional death. That includes War. If one can see a need for war, even in only dire circumstances, then why bother to be anti-abortion? It is a contradiction to be 'pro-life' on abortion but 'pro' anything that causes intentional death. Even convicted felons should be treated with the love and respect that they did not show others. Not because it will make them better people, but because it will keep you from acting like a convicted felon which is what you would do by treating them no better than they would treat YOU.
There are many people who would disagree with that. They disagree because it indicts them as not being any better a person than those people they judge to be deserving of death.

Answer 4

This is what I do not understand. Liberals champion themselves as staunch supporters of equal rights for all....where are the rights of the unborn in the "pro-choice" arguement? Who advocates for the unborn child when the parents choose to use murder as their form of birth control? I know that there are cases in which termination of a pregnancy is the ONLY alternative, and because of such situations I support the mother's right to choose. Often times (and I speak with experience being a social worker in the social welfare system for the past 12 years) the line is very gray. For this reason I agree with First Lady Barbara Bush when she once took a stand and stated that "Pro-Choice" should not be a poltical platform but rather an issue that a woman has between her and her God. (Love Barbara!!!) Obviously, Roe v. Wade should at the very least, be reviewed and perhaps re-written. But of course, that is my opinion and I am sure there is a learned Democrat who will be able to debate my stance and provide solid evidence to support it....however, I have yet to see it and I have been asking this question to all the liberals that I know for a very long time! And when I am told that a fetus is not a life, I get sick! Anyone who has children know that a fetus is life! All of my children have told be stories about heaven and God and hearing Daddy read them stories when they "lived in [Mommy's] tummy, or dancing when Mommy would put her headphones on the "baby bump" in order to share her musical likes! I dont' know...sometimes I feel that if the pro-choice arguement we not a political platform that the Republican base would actually increase....so, so many woman I know choose to be Democrats for that very reason alone! This is difficult...can you tell...I've tuned into a "flipflopper" right here in front of your very eyes and within the context of my own arguement....is this what being a liberal feels like? If so, yuck! ;) welcome back!

Oh yeah, and another thing that really gets my goose in a gander, liberals will fight for the rights of a convicted murderer but not that of an unborn and innocent child. Is that not the biggest paradox of all times?

Answer 5

All laws are based on the right of society to limit the choices of another. To claim that we have no right to limit the "choice" of another just shows ignorance of the true issues. The murderer chooses to kill- we as a society have decided that that is not an acceptable behaviour, hence we have laws against it, and we put people in prison to inhibit their ability to choose. The rapist chooses to force themselves on those that are weaker- we have as a society said that rape is unacceptable, and we work hard to prohibit rapists from making those choices.

Does that mean that a person that is against rape is "anti-rape"? Or is someone that chooses to kill just "pro-choice" because that is their choice and we have no right to deny them that choice?

The argument about choice is really a straw man. The real argument is what is a person. Most people say a "fetus" doesn't have the same rights as a "real" person. They relegate an unborn baby to less than human to justify the killing of them, just as people have done through the ages, with Jews, blacks, American Indians, Amazon Indians, or any other "unwanted" peoples.

If a baby is a person, than that baby is protected by the American constitution. They are guaranteed life....LIFE.....and the pursuit of happiness. Period.

Answer 6

And Crypto Jew Girl scaremongers again. Look, 'the bits of aborted babies' were scrapings taken more than 30 years ago and cultivated in a petrie dish. As far as I am concerned, your statements are the most dangerous things, to not vaccinate against Rubella and the like is a lot more dangerous. Do you want your children getting these diseases? Do you not care?

Personally, I am against abortions and I do believe the death penalty should be applied. I can think of one case at the moment were it should happen.

But, illogical statements do not help any cause. Inoculations are vital to children's health.

Answer 7

You can't compare the two...they are totally different subjects. First, I am pro-choice, not pro Abortion there is a major difference in the two. I believe that a woman has the CHOICE and has to live with the consquences of her CHOICE. Abortion is an evil that we have to live with, and it angers me that most pro-life people leading the charge against abortion are MEN. I am a man myself and it is my stong belief I have no business telling a woman what she can and can not do with her womb. I may not always agree with her choice, but I do have to respect her right to choose and to her privacy. Those that are strong in the pro life movement, instead of plotting violence to solve this problem, let's look at the children already in existance and focus on their well being, we now have the highest rate of children having no health coverage, poverty has increased tremendously in our country esp with lower age groups. This is where your focus should be...

Answer 8

Because they are the same basic argument. Identical.

Those who are pro-life (ant-choice) and pro-death penalty are both arguing that life-or-death decisions should be made only by the government, not by the individual.

Those who are pro-choice and anti-death penalty are both arguing that the government does not have the right to choose who lives and who dies -- that's an individual choice.

As a side note, pro-choice has nothing at all to do with whether abortion is good or not. Every pro-choice person I know is personally opposed to abortion.

The only issue being argued by pro-choice advocates is WHO gets to make that decision -- the individual or the government. And if it's the government, then the govt can make abortion mandatory just as easily as it can outlaw it.

The only protection against that is the right of individuals to make those medical decisions, free from government compulsions.

Answer 9

I'm against the death penalty because I think killing is wrong. I also think that science shows us that life does not begin at the moment of conception. Something without nerve endings and a brain is not alive. Therefore, abortion is not murder. I know you disagree, but I suspect that those beliefs stem from a religious conviction. Which means they have no business worming their way into our laws.

My problem with conservative pro-lifers is that they seem to care so much about the un-born, and not too much about people once they are.

Answer 10

Even if a fetus should have rights ( which I do not grant but assuming arguendo) I don't see how that would trump the womans right to autonomy. Another's right to life, even when it is not in doubt ( like an actual person's) does not give them a right to usurp the physical autonomy of another and use them as an incubator for the sake of securing their own right to life. That is to say, even if the fetus had full rights, the woman would have a right to have it ejected from the premises, if it can survive on it's own, good for it.