Do you agree with this argument ?

Question

Argument about God:

Pro: if God didnt exist there would no justice for good and evil after death and maybe there's no heaven. Also people have made Him such a big part of their lives for no reason.

Con: If God does existence we have less control over our destiny because God has plans for us, or that people are suffering so much even though there is an all good and all powerful God reigning over the universe.

by the way not my argument its someone else's

Answer 1

wording is not clear. Why would there be no justice for good and evil after death, etc. Rephrase and explain.

Answer 2

Firstly, this isn't an argument, for an argument is designed to form the structure of propositions; those are the premises and the conclusion and premises are the propositions that support the conclusion--this is an argument. What you have are mere statements about what you think of God (Clearly, the pro is not a pro...it's a negative when you boil down to it).

The problems within your statements: "Also people have made Him a big part of their lives for no reason". (1) this is a logical fallacy known as "Hasty generalizations" where we categorize a certain group of people (or everybody for that matter) and conclude that we have the evidence (when we don't) for knowing something about that group as a whole. You couldn't possibly know if everybody who has made God a part of their lives did so with no reason. If there is a God, then you would make Him part of your life for a reason.

Secondly, what do you mean by "destiny"? This is a vague term. Thirdly, punting to suffering doesn't disprove the existence of God. Again, you've resorted to another logical fallacy (or mistake). Your statements are designed to discover whether or not God exists or non-exists, not to deal with the problem of pain. You bring another problem in to disprove something that you have not completed, in hopes that people will say "Oh, suffering, right, it does exist; therefore, God must not exist"...does that actually follow? NO!
Nobody is in a universal consensus about what suffering actually is, whether it is absolutely bad, and most importantly whether it is actually from God or a result of man. Resorting to another problem without finishing your first is known as the "red herring" fallacy.

With all this being said this really isn't an argument and it doesn't prove or disprove anything. Its certainly not a good one either, but keep up the work and you will become better. Don't get ahead of yourself (which is what most people do when they first start logic, philosophy, reasoning) because youre so excited. Take it slow and make sure you understand things...the single bad worst cause of confusion today is a result of people who are bad critical thinkers and then convince others on the grounds of their faulty logic.

Answer 3

Your pro argument seems like a con argument.

If there is good and evil on earth, then justice is made here. God's judgement is not one of terrestrial morality. It has to do with love and forgiveness. So the argument is false and misleading.

We have control over our lives. As it goes, God gave us free will. So we do control our destiny.

I don't know if God has plans for us on this planet. Genesis merely says he created the world and man, and said on the 6th day this was very good. If you believe the story of Genesis, then the plan is simply executed. No more issues about plans.

Since your Pro and Con arguments are confusing, let's see if this works for you.

Try and rephrase it:

Con: If God doesn't exist, there will be no judgement after death. There is no heaven, and we have errantly made God a big part of our lives for no reason. Proof of this is in the fact that people are suffering so much, even though there is an all good and all powerful God who reigns over the universe.

Pro: God exists, the evidence of this fact is in our own free will. If we exercise our free will properly, we have control over our destiny and God will judge us good and invite us to dwell in his house forever. God exists because there is yet to be found any evidence of any other life in the universe, and the fact that we as human beings exist, gives truth to the theory that God made the universe and made man in his image.

Answer: I disagree with your argument as posed. I agree there are two points of view if the question is rephrased.

I am not sure anyone can prove or disprove the existence of God, though. Not to a complete certainty that is capable of being replicated at will.

I'm afraid there's no easy answer to that age-old question.

Answer 4

Neither of them have anything to do with the question of whether god exists.

They are both answering the question "would it be a good thing if god existed, would we be better off" which isn't the same as "does god exist."

That there's no after-life justice if god doesn't exist doesn't in any way speak to whether one does.

So, there's no heaven or hell, and people who've been believing are wrong.

That's just reality.

Same with the other -- we have what control we have.

It's like saying that these arguments are relevant to determining whether or not it's raining:

Pro: We need rain, we've not had enough rain this year. (Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it's raining right now.)

Con: But I was going on a picnic; if it's raining, my day will be spoiled.

The way to know whether it's raining is to look out a window and see.

Whether we'd prefer it to rain or not is irrelevant; it either is or isn't.

Answer 5

the argument is unclear. As far as justice after death...well Im not sure thats the whole point of God existing in the first place. If God does not exist I still would not think the faith of the believers would be for nothing. If it made them kind, compassionate, forgiving, loving, is that for nothing? Doesnt that in and of itself serve a purpose.
I think the whole thing about God having plans for everyone is not all that its made out to be. I mean are we sure God gets up and says today joe blow will go out and save the world. Maybe God just wants you to hang out and play video games today ( i hope anyway :-) ). Or perhaps God has one big picture goal for us...a way that he wants us to go and doesnt care how we get there. I dont think God is all that into "control" as according to christianity he gave us the free will to begin with.

Answer 6

No, I don't agree with either of the points in your argument.

Regardless of whether or not God exists, making him a part of your life has a lot of value. And there's no evidence to show that God has a plan for each and every one of us...in fact, the Bible says that he gave us free will, which indicates to me that his plan is to let us run our own lives.

Answer 7

if there was no God then there would be no difference because death is the ultimate justice, anyway the dead don't care.
it would not be for no purpose because believing in God makes them feel better.
God (assuming we are talking of the God of Abraham)does not mean no control in your life, he has a plan for you,but it's up to you whether you want to do it or not and sometimes there is a reason for bad things to happen even if we don't see it, there is something called trust.
God bless(of course he exsists.)
gabe

Answer 8

We suffer to be stronger in gods eyes . We suffer which makes us turn to the lord the lord does have a plan for each and every one of us. i believe his plan revolves around how we deal . Our rewards could be waiting in heaven so what we do now I believe effects the rest of our lives also in eternity.

Answer 9

these are two different arguments. One about predestination and another about the validity of God. In other words your con says God has to exist while your pro calls His existance into question. It's not valid to provide pro's and con's to different ideas.

Answer 10

The con sounds good. As for the pro, I suppose hypothetically this could be a "pro" but since god doesn't exist, it's moot.