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By reading many of the posts I have found out the following: women are not paid equally; they are being attacked for defending their rights in this women studies section; being skipped from promotions; and when defending women rights they are called lesbians or feminazis. I have lived in America for several years now and am amazed by this injustice.

I also have another question: isn’t it against the federal law for women to be paid 85 cents to a dollar?

2007-03-13 17:47:21 · 6 answers · asked by Teacher 4 in Social Science Gender Studies

Bonzai (are you even Jewish to make such a statement of attack)Judaism is not nor has ever been sexist religion. As Rav Boteach says in his book Kosher Sex, “Judaism is a deeply feminine religion. It believes that the feminine nurturing model is the way all people should live. Our great men throughout the ages were feminine figures, teachers, scholars, rather than warriors.”

Other examples where Judaism treats women as superior to or equal to men:

Abraham had two children Isaac and Ishmael. As the boys matured, Sarah recognized that for Isaac to grow up properly, Ishmael would have to leave. "Throw Ishmael out of the house," she told Abraham. He didn't want to listen. Then God told Abraham: "Listen to the voice of your wife, Sarah, for she is a greater prophet than you."

Isaac and Rebecca had two children, Jacob and Esau. Isaac wanted to give the privileges of the firstborn to Esau. Rebecca recognized what Isaac didn't -- that Esau was depraved and power-mad.

2007-03-13 18:15:08 · update #1

She ensured that the birthright went to Jacob. It was an act which saved the Jewish people.

Egypt, the men were driven to despair by the bitterness of slavery and oppression. When the Egyptians started killing Jewish children, the men decided to separate from their wives -- rather than procreate just to watch their children die. "If we do that we're worse than Pharaoh," said the women. "Though they may kill us, we can never give up hope ourselves." The women encouraged their husbands to raise families, thereby perpetuating the Jewish people. Specifically, Miriam's heroism corrected the wrongful advice of her father Amram --head of the Sanhedrin -- and the result produced baby Moses.

When the 12 spies brought back word that the Land of Israel was populated by giants, the men cried and wanted to return to Egypt. The women did not. As a result, the men were punished with death in the desert; the women merited to enter the Land of Israel.
"God created the human being male and female

2007-03-13 18:15:39 · update #2

says the Torah, which the Talmud understands to imply that it is the wholeness of woman plus man that makes up the human being.
Well, an Orthodox man is only allowed physical contact with a very small set of girls and women. These include: his daughters, mother, sisters, and wife. Among these women, only one — his wife — is not a blood relative. As such, she is the only woman sexually available to him. (Women have a reciprocal set of restrictions placed upon them.) To touch any other woman outside of these boundaries is considered not only immodest behavior but insulting to his spouse.

This is from Aish and from David Bendory

2007-03-13 18:16:36 · update #3

Bonzai either you are misinformed about the Torah, self-hating Jew, or just trying to misrepresent Judaism, but you are still not correct on your notion that women are not mentioned in the Torah as offsprings of famous individuals. In the book of Genesis alone, over 40 woman are mentioned as individuals, though not all of them are named. Here is a list:
Eve (3:20) Cain’s wife (4:17) Adah, Zillah (4:19) Naamah (4:22) Noah’s wife and his three sons’ wives (7:13) Sarai (Yiscah), Milcah (11:29) Hagar (16:1) Lot’s wife and two daughters (19:15) Avimelech’s wife (20:17) Yishmael’s wife (21:21) Rivkah (22:23) Reumah (22:24) Rivkah’s mother (24:55) Rivkah’s nurse Devorah (24:59, 35:8) Keturah (25:1) Esav’s wives Yehudis (Adah) and Basemas (Oholivamah) (26:34;36:2) Yishmael’s daughter Machalas (or Basemas) (28:9;36:3) Rachel (29:6) Leah (29:16) Zilpah (29:24) Bilhah (29:29) Dinah (30:21) An unnamed midwife (35:17) Anah, mother(?) of Oholivamah (36:2) Timna (36:12)

2007-03-14 07:17:30 · update #4

Mehetavel and Matred (36:39) The daughter of Shua (38:2) Tamar (38:6) An unnamed midwife (38:28) Potiphar’s wife (39:7) Asenas (41:45) An unnamed Canaanite woman (46:10) Serach (46:17)
1. Shifrah and Puah defied Pharaoh's order to kill the Hebrew boy babies (Ex. 1:15-21)
2. Yocheved hid her baby for three months, and when hiding him was no longer possible, she put him in a basket at the edge of the river (Ex.2:2-3). Miriam watched the baby there, and when Pharaoh's daughter found him, she persuaded Pharaoh's daughter to allow her to provide a Hebrew wet-nurse for the baby (Ex. 2:4-8).
3. The five daughters of Tzelofechad successfully demanded their father's share in the Land of Israel (Num.27:1-8).
4. Devorah was a judge (Judges 4:4) and several women (including Devorah) were prophetesses
There are even more instances of women either mentioned directly or indirectly. The same thing can be said about the men. Adam and Eve had more then two children, however, Cain and Abel are the

2007-03-14 07:18:15 · update #5

only ones mentioned and the other ones are mentioned in passing. You must also understand that in the ancient days, as it is still common practice in the modern times, when women get married they take on their husbands last names. In the ancient days (where there were no such thing as last names) the name of your husband became the name of you and you became known as the wife of so and so. In that case it becomes as if Mr. and Mrs. So and so. Furthermore, you must also take into consideration that many people did not have daughters and only had sons (Avraham and Isaac only had sons). We learn that Jacob had 13 children, one of whom was a daughter, Dinah. The only people that are mentioned in the Torah were those who had significant impact on humanity or tried to destroy Judaism. There are plenty of people who are not mentioned in the Torah. If you are a Jew, may I recommend for you to start attending services more often and to start reading Artscroll Humash with Rashi commentary.

2007-03-14 07:18:54 · update #6

6 answers

"isn’t it against the federal law for women to be paid 85 cents to a dollar?"

Why yes it is. In fact, if a woman was doing the same job as a man and got paid less the company could be sued and would probably face enormous fines. Funny that it supposedly happens all the time then isn't it?

This myth has been so thoroughly debunked, it's embarassing. This is a partial article with references.

The Wage Gap Myth Is Hazardous To Men's Health

by Stephen Jarosek

A study in the May issue of American Economic Review (2003) had found that the wage gap between men and women was the result of lifestyle choices, and not discrimination. It was found that choice, not discrimination, is the determining factor in wage difference 97 percent of the time. The wage gap myth has been debunked numerous times -- for example, by the Independent Women's Forum, and the publication, "Women's Figures", by Furchtgott-Roth and Stolba (1999).

The wage gap fiction was derived from the median wages of all men and all women in the work force, without regard to age, education, occupation, experience or working hours.

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? You'd think that if you had to explain something so self-explanatory, you might as well not bother and go and live in an ashram in India.

We know how it goes…. Women are more likely to work fewer hours so that they can have more time to devote to the caring of children. Men are more likely to value career and therefore, work longer hours per day, devoting many more years to developing their expertise that makes them more valuable. Men are more likely to work in the death careers, such as mining (and therefore get paid more), whereas women are more likely to work in air-conditioned offices, regardless of their skill-level. Women are more likely to pull out of careers in order to raise a family -- the stay-at-home mom is a legitimate, fulfilling option and an ideal escape-hatch. No such fulfilling option is extended to men. The man who chooses the stay-at-home option becomes an invisible drone, of no interest to men or women, employers or government, God or country. And so on.

The various studies that have been coming out have been equalizing the wage-gap disparities, and so feminists no longer have any basis to claim discrimination on the basis of income.

As a further very dramatic example, there was the New York Times article by Lisa Belkin, "The Opt-Out Revolution", published on the 26 th of October, 2003. After arraying a formidable and damning indictment of a revolution choosing to opt out instead of persisting with the good fight, Ms Belkin asks the rhetorical question, "Why don't women run the world?" Her answer is "Maybe it's because they don't want to."

Precisely. The wage gap is not a wage gap at all. It is a choices gap. Put simply, women have more choices than men. In most cases, their additional choices (e.g., stay-at-home-mom) require men to continue providing for them, and this is the reason for the wages gap.


Copyright: Stephen Jarosek (2004)

2007-03-13 18:06:24 · answer #1 · answered by Happy Bullet 3 · 3 3

Thanks for a question that is actually intelligent. Women work in many professions that are comprable to males jobs with regards to skills, education, risk, professional development. Jobs such as nursing that was historically a career that women were encouraged to follow were low paying compared to jobs such as police work which was primarily male. When two jobs are compared it was noticed that women were in fact paid at a significiently lower wage. Before someone objects and states that there is more danger involved in police work maybe they should spend a couple of shift working an ER in an inner city hospital or a clinic, where the majority of casualties come in high and with weapons.
Women who are in managerial positions are quite often paid lower than males. Cranks such as Happy Bullet find these factoids in such wonderful publications such as Weekly World News and then he has the chutzpah to parade them around like groundbreaking reasearch that has been peer studied.
Males who are against feminsm because they are afraid of women in general will find all kinds of propaganda to support their foolish ideas. You are correct when you state they must denigrate feminists by calling them all kinds of defammatory titles such as feminazi, dykes, and manhaters.
They cannot seem to understand that feminism has many branches and most are concerned with correcting the power imbalance to rid the world globally of ALL oppression.
This incluces racism, human trafficking, ageism, discrimation against the disabled, and religions, etc. Not to mention environmentalism.
By denouncing feminism these men are far more akin to Nazis than the feminist women are. Feminism is about freedom and equality, unlike what the Nazis stood for which was lies, genocide, and oppression. Very much like the men who post here bashing women are about.

2007-03-14 01:20:13 · answer #2 · answered by Deirdre O 7 · 4 1

They need to open their ears and their minds and genuinely "listen" to women.

Yes, it's wrong that we're paid less for doing the same job, but unless every woman in the U.S. cuts off every man in the U.S., this situation will never change.

2007-03-14 00:59:03 · answer #3 · answered by miri-miri-off-the-wall 5 · 0 2

Women with children at home should be at home raising their kids, not out there taking a job away from a man.

2007-03-14 00:57:53 · answer #4 · answered by data_disaster 2 · 1 4

Your the same guy who denied that judaism was a sexist religion.

2007-03-14 00:51:43 · answer #5 · answered by Bonzai Betty 6 · 4 3

Nothing.

2007-03-14 02:14:40 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

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