How would you like to be a gay soldier risking your life in Iraq and hear this?

Question

Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday he considers homosexuality to be immoral and the military should not condone it by allowing gay personnel to serve openly, the Chicago Tribune reported.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace likened homosexuality to adultery, which he said was also immoral, the newspaper reported on its Web site.

"I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way," Pace told the newspaper in a wide-ranging interview.

Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, said he based his views on his upbringing...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070313/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/military_gays

Does this man know that the first casualty in Iraq was a gay Marine? He lost his leg.

JNWMOM - you say "
If gays would keep their mouth shut on their sexual preferences,they would never have had anything to worry about.Most "normal"people dont go around bragging about what goes on in the bedroom,thats immoral..."

No American should have to "keep their mouth shut"! Very imortant fact. And, do you KNOW ANY MEN? You are seriously under the impression that heterosexual men "don't brag about what goes on in the bedroom?" Have you EVER BEEN ON THE WEB, dear? Who do you think is making all the porn? Who are the 10000 Washington DC customers of that prostitution ring?

CHOCOLAHOMA - Here is one of the 700,000 links you get when you google "gay marine first casualty..."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/28/gays.military/index.html

Do you know how to google?

Answer 1

What business does sexual conduct have in the military? None. If you discuss it in any business outside of the military, then you can be released for several reasons such as code of conduct violations, sexual harassment to name a few.

Your sexual preference is private and has no place in the work environment.

I served 20 years in the military, and I had a lot of great soldiers working for me. Some I knew to be gay and some straight. But when soldiers bring their gay sex into the living quarters of other soldiers, they are wrong. I do not agree with the don't ask don't tell policy. But I also agree that gays do not belong in the military. As long as I do not know that you are gay, I do not care. The reason I do not agree with don't ask don't tell, is because gay and straight individuals use that excuse to get out of the military once they find it is to hard and want to get out.

Answer 2

Reguardless of who was the first casualty, regardless of what you think should be, you really do not understand what you are asking for.

Let me enlighten you a little.

Should we lift the "Don't ask, Don't Tell" policy we endanger every Homosexual that steps forward. There are those that simply do not like Gay's and by announcing you are one, puts you in a lot of risk.

Unit morale is probably the most important aspect of a cohesive unit. That morale will plummit when several Soldiers announce thir sexual status as Gay. There are a whole lot of other Soldiers that are more than uncomfortable being roomed with a gay Soldeir, paired in a foxhole, etc.

Lets move on to Showers. How do you fix that? It isn't all that fair to the straight males to put gay males in the same shower, same with females. What now? A third Bathroom? That costs $$$ that we are already stretching.

Right now, sexual assults by Gays in the military are up almost 300% while sexual assults are only up about 30%. (neither is a good number)

I can tell you that at Fort Lee, there is a "pack" of Lesbian females that assault other females in three's and four's then tell the victim if she tells, the rest of the "pack" will beat her down. Sad.

This is only the beginning of a VERY long road...I havn't even gotten into union benifits and the like. It is not something that can be done over night and it will be a long time before we actually see gays "openly" in the military.

That is the main problem with the whole topic. Civilians have no idea what is actually involved with this. It will be costly and time consuming to get done. Not to mention all the Soldiers that would buck the decision to allow it. So before you start bashin my service or the officials, you really should know that you don't know the whole story.



Edit -

Also, the first casualty on the battlefield was Marine Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez

Answer 3

I have to say I'm pretty apalled by many of the answers here. A serious question has been asked and many of the responses miss the whole point. How would any of you feel if Pace had said something so negative about any other minority group? Would it have been different if he had singled out those who are hispanic, jewish, women, etc.?

And FYI, being gay is not only about sex. It is about relationships and how to make those relationships grow, just like any others.

Answer 4

Marine General Pace didn't write the policy that prohibits gay or lesbian people from serving "openly" in the military.

In fact, a little research shows that the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy originated with Bill Clinton's administration. President Clinton campaigned on a promise to abolish the rules that prohibited gays from serving in the military, but instead merely forced them deeper into the closet.

There is absolutely NO agreement about the general concept of gay and lesbian service in the military. General Pace is entitled to his opinion, which I would imagine is shared by a majority of other servicemen and women.

I'd like to see your source for the claim that the first casualty of the war was a gay marine. I can find no information about this and it sounds like a "made-up" fact...

Answer 5

Being a humanitarian with morals and values is lacking in the right wing fellowship. Friendly fire isn't being a moral contributor, and when these criminals are discharged from the military they are a menace to society here at home. Our prisons were loaded up with these psychopaths after the return home of the troops from Vietnam. I see this scenario happening all ready from the Iraq & Afganistan conflicts currently with the abusive hate speech that is happening across America.

Answer 6

If I was a gay soldier in Iraq, I'd think he was entitled to his opinion, however wrong it is. I'd then ignore his silliness and get on with my life.

If he's been brought up in such a closed-minded way, and had this drummed into his head from an early age, it's not his fault that's what he thinks.

Answer 7

"Does this man know that the first casualty in Iraq was a gay Marine? He lost his leg."

His injury is irrelevant to his sexuality and vice versa.

Depending on your set of morals, homosexuality is immoral. It does not have to equate to adultery, but I understand his point...immoral behavior in the service of country is not a desirable activity.

Answer 8

If gays would keep their mouth shut on their sexual preferences,they would never have had anything to worry about.Most "normal"people dont go around bragging about what goes on in the bedroom,thats immoral.Would you like to know what everyone does in their bedroom or their sex life?General Pace and the Military has a right to set standards.Something people forget,theres rules,you dont like them,dont join.

Edited:You asked a question and people answered it,now because you didnt get the answers you wanted,you resort to personal attacks..,violation of guidelines.

Answer 9

Pace is 100% correct. I was in Viet Nam long before the dont ask dont tell policy, gays have no place in the military! Semper Fi.
You forget homosexuality is abnormal and a preversion!

Answer 10

Well, per most religions, it IS sinful, so if Gen. Pace is a religious person, he would necessarily believe homosexuality to be sinful in nature.

I agree with him. As far as I'm concerned, it is a sinful activity. I don't call them out on it, and neither does Pace, because I've my own sins to worry about. That's between the sinner and God.

Not a big deal, that is his personal belief; official regulations don't deal with sin. His profession of this belief is in accordance with his 1st Amendment rights to free speech and free practice of religion.

He's not condemning anybody, just laying out his personal views. So anybody who chooses to get upset about this is missing the point.