I currently work for a State Senator in Florida, and I am doing research for him pertaining to a global warming bill that is on the table. I am having trouble finding discrediting information on the "hockey stick" graph that he was presented in his committee meeting.
Can someone please give me links, and also summarize what the links say that discredit and disprove the entire hockey stick graph? I have read in places that it was data that was used incorrectly, and that the graph didn't include the Middle Age and Mini-Ice Age times...but can someone please do the following:
1) Provide a link or links with facts disproving the hockey stick
2) Give names in your summary of scientists who discredit it
3) Summarize what the articles that you find state.
I am currently doing my homework, but I know that more minds work better than one. I will give "thumbs up" for people who give comments, and will reward the best answer. Thanks in advance, and consider this helping in the fight!
2007-03-12 10:59:25 · 6 answers · asked by Crizzle Gizzle 4 in Science & Mathematics ➔ Earth Sciences & Geology
I have done my own research into Global warming, including watching the "Swindle" video put out by BBC. Therefor I do have my own opinion, which is shared by the entire Geology and Meteorology department here at FSU (NOAA and National Weather Service are based here at FSU and they also agree).
But I just need facts and such to disprove THIS theory, on the hockey stick idea. Thanks again to everyone's comments and posts and I look forward to more.
2007-03-12 12:36:26 · update #1
The hockey stick was largely discredited by statisticians. There is an interesting link to a lot of global warming graphs at the following. Look at the letter from Seitz and you'll find the report hotlinked at the bottom.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm
2007-03-12 11:35:01 · answer #1 · answered by Flyboy 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Basically, it's true.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/hockeystickFAQ.html#4
Bottom lines, agreed to by most scientists. Did the original hockey stick work have some statistical flaws? Yes. Do most scientists think that the flaws are minor and that the hockey stick still approximates the rapid recent warming? Yes. The National Academy of Sciences said that. Have other scientists done similar work without the flaws that essentially reproduces the original hockey stick? Yes. If, arguably, the hockey stick was wrong, would that be a strong argument against global warming? No.
But you'll have no problem finding individual advocates who disagree.
2007-03-12 11:59:46 · answer #2 · answered by Bob 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Why should we provide anything when you didn't even provide the graph? Firstly I would say that using a hockey stick for global warming was a bad analogy. Turn that hockey stick upside down and now it says that there is actually global cooling. Tada!
2007-03-12 14:44:49 · answer #3 · answered by Specialist McKay 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
Basically, as much as I hate using wikipedia, it does provide links to a lot of examples of what you're looking for. Most of them are .pdfs which don't open on my computer, so I can't do the 1)2)3) approach you asked for, though.
http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm is a good one too.
2007-03-12 11:11:32 · answer #4 · answered by Neilos 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
It's nice that you make up your mind first, then look for "facts" to support it. That way, you can just ignore any facts that don't fit your theory. Makes for a simple life.
Why don't you just ask Myron Ebell, instead of a bunch of Yahoos?
2007-03-12 11:10:47 · answer #5 · answered by morningfoxnorth 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
False, as is 'global warming'.
2007-03-12 11:07:03 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋