Do you believe in gay marraige?

Question

Either way, why? And for those of you with a religious standpoint. if god is all powerful and creates everything in this world, then he must of created gays, and for a reason. personally, i dont care what people do its their buisness, and i dont believe in god.

Answer 1

Do I "believe in it"? Well... I feel it should be legalized immediately.

Answer 2

Absolutely, I believe in gay civil marriage, which is what the debate is specifically about. There is nothing in the Constitution which forbids it, either, which is why the religious right is so busy trying to amend the Constitution.

The problem started a long time ago, when the government started giving tax breaks to married couples.

The whole problem is one of language. When a straight couple gets married in a church, they also sign a marriage license, so they are also entering into what is called a "civil marriage."

If the government had used the phrase "civil union" instead, from the get-go, none of this mess would be happening today.

Straight people would get married in church, and sign papers forming a government-backed civil union.

Gay people (and straight people not interested in the church part) would get a government-backed civil union only.

I think you'll find that most people's biggest objection to "gay marriage" is the use of the word "marriage." Changing the term without changing the legal definition takes a lot of the emotional fire out of it for many people, and they are more likely to go along with it.

Of course, you have the REALLY religious people who are against ANY sort of ANYTHING for gay people, and so, since marriage is the issue of the day, they are against that. When some other aspect of gay rights comes up, these people will automatically be against that too, whatever it is.

They will make any argument they can think of to keep gay people from getting any rights at all, including the slippery slope of marrying my sister/my dog/the toaster, and the claim that gay marriage will hurt their marriage (though they can never explain how).

But these and many others have all been quickly and intelligently overcome from a legal perspective. All that is left are two "real" reasons why anti-gay people think gay people should not get married:

1. I think gay people are icky, and icky people don't deserve rights!
2. My Bible said gay people are icky, and even though we don't live in a theocracy, my Bible should trump the Constitution!

Those are the only two real reasons/excuses to ban gay marriage that anyone has ever offered. Everything else they put forward is just a smokescreen to distract from these "real" reasons that they know will not hold up in a court of law.

Politicians are torn over the issue because, yes, some of them are very religious, but more to the point, some of them are more interested in staying in office than they are in making constitutional laws.... and there are more Christian voters than gay voters, if you know what I mean.

Answer 3

The gay marriage fight is really a battle between two groups of religious denominations - Christian and other in both cases. That battle is being missed by the media, and I believe that the battle threatens democracy in America.

One of the reasons for the Revolution, in which ancestors of mine fought -- was to establish freedom of religion in the new nation. Now, we are throwing that away, because contrary to what those on the Right would like you to think, this is not a battle between "people of faith" and "atheists" or some such -- this is a battle between two groups of people of faith, using the government to establish one sides views -- the EXACT THING that the anti-establishmentarian clause of the Constitution is there to prevent.

Of course no one should "make" those whose faiths oppose gay marriage perform such marriages, and no one ever would. So ministers from the Southern Baptists and Assemblies of God and Ultra-Orthodox Jews and Fundamentalist Muslims should never be asked to perform gay marriages, and certainly not forced to.

On the other hand, why should faith groups that support gay marriage -- such as the United Church of Christ, the Unitarian/Universalist Society, the North American Spiritualist Church, Reform Judaism, and the Correllian Tradition of Wicca -- all recognized Churches and 501c3s be barred from practicing their religious faith, which says it is ok to marry same sex couples?

The first group of faith groups is realistically using the government to prevent the second group of faith groups from practicing what they believe. The founders tried to prevent this, for the stability of the country. It doesn't matter that everyone "thinks" they are right and others are wrong -- it matters that we are plural as a society and the government should recognize everyone's ceremonies the same -- which means that gay marriages committed by churches and faith groups that believe in gay marriages, should be honored by the government regardless of what groups that don't like it say.

Everyone's beliefs can be honored, thus preserving the values that my 12 times removed Great Grandfather died for -- but not if we allow one side to legislate away the rights of the other side.

And that's what I think.

Regards,

Reynolds Jones
http://www.rebuff.org
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Answer 4

What happens in another's bedroom is not my business.

As for people who are talking about marriage being an institution in need of saving...

First of all, marriage as an institution hasn't been around that long. The Church didn't start getting involved in marriages until the dark ages (look it up). Not that marriage didn't exist before, but people didn't go about registering themselves or anything before that. The Catholic Church didn't even define marriage as being between a man and a woman until 1566 with the Council of Trent.

If anything, marriage has more to fear from heterosexuals, because those are the people who are getting divorced like it's going out of style (gays actually have a better record with divorce).

Marriage needs protection from hypocritical heterosexual divorcees, not from gay people (I'm straight, so my people are to blame).

Answer 5

Why don't you believe in God? Have you always felt this way or has the way religious people acted in the past made you feel this way? There is so much evidence that God exists in the universe. As for your original question, why shouldn't gays be miserable too? Let 'em get hitched!

Answer 6

There is no such thing as gay marriage. Marriage is the relationship between a man and a woman and has existed that way for centuries. It is the only definition this country has ever know and the legislative history (if you care to read it) pertaining to the granting of special priveleges to married couples reflects that. It also shows that the founders and subsequent legislators knew that marriage (hetero) produced benefits for society. Gay marriage produces no such benefits, one of which is children who become the future workers, taxpayers and legislators of the future. Gay relationships cannot result in children. (unless they go get sperm, etc.). Yes, I know not all hetero couples have kids, but most do and benefit our society. Come up with another name for gay relationships.

Answer 7

sure. i have self assurance that gay couples must have a similar rights as immediately couples. I actually have no longer began to hearken to a logical clarification why we should not be allowed to marry. each of the excuses i have heard do no longer make an excellent purchase of expertise. "It is going adverse to God." ------To the human beings who make this declare: have you ever easily spoken with God and he's informed you this?! "If we enable 2 human beings of a similar gender to marry, what's going to ensue next? Will human beings be marrying their pets? a nationwide monument? A sweet bar?" -----Um... that's so ridiculous, that's exceedingly a lot no longer even worth commenting on, yet i visit because a buddy of mine made a similar remark. The puritanical individuals of our society see 2 consenting adults in a loving dedicated relationship to be as "perverse" as someone who's in love with a nationwide monument or their canines. "It destroys the sanctity of marriage." ---- 2 finished strangers can marry on television for money and Britney Spears can get inebriated and marry someone in Vegas in undemanding words to get it annulled some hours later. both easily a kind of examples were criminal marriages between a guy and a woman. How sanctified were those marriages? and that i might want to bypass on...

Answer 8

I think the gay community should be allowed to express their love just like the heterosexual community. People are way too wrapped up in what other people do. I personally think, to each their own, and who am I too judge. I also, think they should be entitled to same insurance benefits as a heterosexual married couple is. Can't wait for the thumbs down.
Have a nice day.

Answer 9

It's up to individuals and couples to work this out with God themselves. Remember, the very first gift God gave us was free will, and He/She is pretty adamate that we exercise our own judgement.

It's not for ANY church, government, school or individual to determine what is 'moral' for other people. Imposing your morals and religon is a much bigger sin than gay marriage.

Answer 10

Yes

Answer 11

Look, you don't pick who you fall in love with. There's no law against marrying a fat person. There's no law against marrying an ugly person. There's no law against marrying outside of your religion or your race. Why must you marry someone based solely on gender?

I'm for marrying someone you love vs. being unable to marry, regardless of any physical characteristics. Period.