Will there ever be Justice in the World?

Question

Imagine a band of heavily armed religious zealots out on a cruise who stumble upon a land of milk and honey. It is already owned by others but "God" told the zealots to slaughter all the inhabitants and steal their land and live in it. As time went on they grew and grew and stole more and more land and even brought slaves from far away places to work the land for them because they were to lazy to work it themselves. Eventually the fanatics divided from the motherland and created their own country. As the guns got bigger and better they took more and more land. To justify all this they named their victims "Insurgents" or "Terrorists" because "God" was on the fanatics side and everything they did was right. They even have a "Department of Justice". They even sing a little song
"This land is your land,
This land is my land,
This land was made for you and me."
So, in the name of "Justice", should the fanatics be required to return the land they stole?

Answer 1

Thumbs down for too long, I know. But one or two might read it.

Woody Guthrie was making this point with that song.

This land is your land, this land is my land
From the Redwood Forest to the New York Island
The Canadian mountain to the Gulf Stream waters
This land is made for you and me.
As I go walking this ribbon of highway
I see above me the endless skyway
And all around me the wind keeps saying:
This land is made for you and me.
I roam and I ramble and I follow my footsteps
Till I come to the sands of her mineral desert
The mist is lifting and the voice is saying:
This land is made for you and me.
Where the wind is blowing I go a strolling
The wheat field waving and the dust a rolling
The fog is lifting and the wind is saying:
This land is made for you and me.
Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway
Nobody living can make me turn back
This land is made for you and me.

[edit] Original lyrics
The original version of "This Land Is Your land" also consisted of Guthrie protesting class inequality in the verse,

In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me?
and protesting the institution of private ownership of land with the verse,

As I went walking, I saw a sign there;
And on the sign there, It said, 'NO TRESPASSING.'
But on the other side, It didn't say nothing.
That side was made for you and me.

Also Steppenwolf song from the 1970 release "Monster".

Words and music by John Kay, Jerry Edmonton, Nick St. Nicholas and Larry Byrom


Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog

And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey

(Suicide)
The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching

(America)
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster

Answer 2

Your views on life are slightly twisted, personally. Why are you so angry at AMERICA for being human. I'm sorry you don't appreciate the number of human lives that were sacrificed so that you can hav the freedom to say absolutely worthless blather.

First and foremost, define justice. I know of a group of people who were, mind you IN AMERICA WHERE THEY HAD THE LAW GIVEN RIGHT TO WORSHIP AS THEY PLEASED, literally chased from thier homes in New York, to Ohio, then to Missouri. THey were then put under an extermination order by the governor of the state, and hunted and forcibly removed from thier homes in the dead of winter, across the Missouri River and inot Illionis. Then, after a slight reprive, thier leader was mayrtered and the people were froced out of thier homes once again, and only found peace in there very indian lands you want to give back. NOW, tell me, was that justice?

If your gonna complain about us taking land form other people, you should be more angry at the Germans from WWI to WWII who frocibly took people from their homes and relocated them to places that would better serve thier purpose (i.e. Nazi's and concentration camps). And what about the USSR when it took over other COUNTRIES.

Is what happened on 9/11 just? Is scalping thousands of women and children justice? You're asking a question that cannot be answered. Justice isn't defineable by any means. What may seem as right and just to one person won't to another. No, It wasn't exactly just for America's froefathers to enslave thousands, no it wasn't right for them to t"take" the Native American's lands.

But, it also isn't right for you to ***** about wanting to give back lands to groups of people, who gave a lot of it to us the first place. AMERICA purchased a good chunk of the lands you want returned. Also, didn;t you think about the hundreds of thousands of people who are now living on that very land you want to give back? Where some took it from a few hundred, you would oust several thousands? all in the name of what you would call justice? HOW IS THAT JUST?

It's not that easy to say, "ok, we were *****, have this back." True justice requires that the wrong be completely righted, in your case, the lands be returned. However the definition that you seek won't work say in a rape situation. how do yo gve true justice to the victim and thier family? You can't, it's absoltely impossible. There is no way you can return the victim to the life they had before the attack.

You ask for justice and I ask, for whom? Those that were originally wronged or those who would be in the giving og your justice.

Answer 3

Overall,.. No,.. there will never be justice in THIS world. To expect that there ever will be or that it is even possible is a pipe dream. That's just the way it is, so deal with it.

If the usage of the terms "Insurgents" and "Terrorists" by any remote chance refers to the current war in Iraq, this is NOT a religious war EXCEPT maybe on the insurgents and terrorists side. THEY are the fanatics and you know it! Unless you are "over there", either in body or spirit,.. in which case you have been DUPED!

This "justice" you speak of is misapplied in your rather well written little story.

Answer 4

I don't like dealing in generalities. I like specifics. You could be speaking of either the religious Jews or the religious Muslims; however the milk and honey reference clearly suggests you are speaking of the religious Jews. I think all religious people, Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, should be lined up and shot. They are the cause of all the problems in the world.

On a more practical note, do you really expect the Jews to give Israel back to the Canaanites? That's right smarty, in 1200 BC, ther were no Muslims, just the Canaanites, who were pagans. Should we dig them up and give them back their land? Maybe we could give Lebanon back to the Phonecians while we're at it.

Or maybe we could try to forget about who did what to whom in the past and try to focus on getting along together in the future. That's the only way it's ever going to work. Forget the past, most of what you've been told is a lie anyway. Most of what I've been told is a lie as well. I'm willing to wipe the slate clean and start anew with a handshake today. We can call it the year one. Do you accept? Are you with me, Ishmael?

Answer 5

Never, as long as we have a monkey in the white house and a team of monsters in the house and senate. People, (muslims presently) will not be safe until the United States undergoes major changes. And what I mean by major is a total replacement of government, outlawing of the Patriot Act, and a Constitution that can be read straightforward, enforced without loop-holes, and legible to all the citizens and their understanding. Maybe then, we will have justice, maybe.

Answer 6

No there heavily isn't peace nor Justice in this corrupt international, and the people who say that it are ignorant, i do no longer recognize in the experience that your religious or perhaps have faith in God, however the bible even says that God did no longer come to deliver peace to this international, so if the writer did no longer even deliver peace who do you think of those little human beings and government aer going to deliver to the table,no longer something yet destruction confusion and a decrease Dow...

Answer 7

Hay some times you have to take matter, to your own hands, just to see justice in are land.

Answer 8

There will never be justice in the world. Different cultures have different ideas of justice. It's impossible for everybody to be satisfied.

Answer 9

Oh, sure, return the land.

Answer 10

There will never be justice in this world.