Since some of you don't like the "opinion" of the colonel I quoted (he was a colonel during the vietnam war, later a general) regarding their victory because of the liberal anti war movement,
WILL YOU TAKE THE VIETNAM WAR ERA GENERAL'S (GENERAL GIAP) OPINION MORE SERIOUSLY?
"You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But, we were elated to notice the media were definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. Yes, we were ready to surrender. You had won!""
http://www.skytroopers.org/index.html
2007-03-08 17:13:20 · 10 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Politics
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If you foolishly ask, "what difference would a 'win' have made", I would have to answer, " 2 years of deaths".
2007-03-08 17:16:18 · update #1
General Giap never said that.
The quote comes from Truong Nhu Tang's book "A Viet Cong Memoir"
2007-03-08 17:24:27 · answer #1 · answered by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz 6 · 3⤊ 2⤋
Do you really think that pounding us over the head with this one general's opinion (yes, OPINION!), will make us all bow down and say "I'm so sorry; I was wrong"? Well, you haven't convinced me! I did what I felt was morally right, and I still believe that it was morally right!
If our military didn't recognize a "win" when they had one, what makes you think it was really there?
We had no business being in Viet Nam, just like we have no business being in Iraq. I want our troops home! I don't want my tax dollars poured into a war. I want America to stand for something good again!
You can ask this same question 50 different ways, and I will still say, "Make Love--Not War", just like I did 40 years ago. I'm glad I did it then, and I'm glad I'm doing it again!
The people who trumped up the bogus stories of WMD are the ones who have gotten our troops killed! The ones who sent them off to "war" without the proper equipment and armor are the ones who have gotten our troops killed. The ones who are profitting--in BIG BUCKS--are the ones responsible for getting our troops killed! I'm just pointing out the discrepancies between what we are told and the truth!!!
2007-03-09 01:28:49 · answer #2 · answered by Joey's Back 6 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Wow! now we are quoting Wesley Clark and McNamara. Very good sources for objective opinions.
McNamara was a better red than dead believer and Clark was fired by Clinton, of all people.
Again, I am a Viet Nam Vet, and we lost the war, not because we couldn't win, but because the war protesters helped the enemy.
Again, Hanoi Jane was the idol of the left war protesters.
2007-03-09 01:30:29 · answer #3 · answered by Kye H 4 · 0⤊ 3⤋
Isn't 58, 229 dead enough for you?
I am glad for the anti war movement! It got a lot of people out of Vietnam, a war started by President Eisenhower and Richard Nixon, and ended by Richard Nixon! A War based on another lie!
What do you know about Vietnam? You probably weren't alive, having to run thru an Agent Orange defoliated jungle into an ambush!
"You know what I finally figured out? People don't start wars. Countries don't start wars. It's governments that start wars. ******' governments. And we go along with it. Whenever you see a problem, social or economic or political, and think that government should do something about the problem, do a little homework and you'll probably find that government is the source of the problem. And war is just the epitome of government problem solving. So what if a majority thinks that this coming war is right. The majority is just something that government manufactures and manipulates to give the appearance of legitimacy to what government does.
"And as for those government bozos who say that those who question their plans and motives is unpatriotic and aiding the enemy, well, they can just kiss my ***."
I stared at the ground. Thirty years of fear, of doubt, of anger, of hurt, of rage, was coming out of him in a rush. It made me uncomfortable, but I couldn't move from that spot; I wanted him to continue. He seemed to sense this.
"You know what really galls me? How those that seem to yell loudest for war have never seen one. They've never seen a buddy disappear from the waist up after a shell hit, then see his legs stand there for a moment before falling over. They never saw a friend all psyched up about going home tomorrow after finishing his tour get hit in the belly with shrapnel, see his guts spill out, then watch him try to gather up his intestines lying in the dirt.
"They never saw what napalm does do a little girl's skin. They never saw a 19-year-old from Iowa screaming and writhing on the ground because a mine blew his legs off. They never saw a man take a bullet through the brain, then watch his body flop around on the ground for a minute or so because it doesn't realize he's dead. They never put pieces of someone into a bag, not knowing who it was until you read the tags, because there wasn't any face left to go along with the other parts. They haven't seen the **** I've seen, and they want to do it all over again. Those bastards!
"But what really makes me mad is how those who should know better seem to have forgotten. All those vets in Congress, POW's even, who know what I'm talking about, but will go along with the calls for war because it's politically expedient. Don't they remember? Do they really want another generation of kids to experience that ****? Have they gotten so accustomed to the trappings of power that people are just pawns, tools, mere things to be manipulated for their own ends? DO THEY KNOW WHAT THE **** THEY'RE DOING?
"But it doesn't matter. We'll let them do it anyway."
He began walking away, head up but eyes looking down. As he receded into the swirling snow, I saw him raise his face to the storm, toward Capitol Hill. "DAMN YOU BASTARDS!" was the last thing I heard as he disappeared into the white.
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Eight Purple Hearts. Ten Silver Stars. Twice awarded the Distinguished Service Cross. And now a virtual shoe-in for the Medal of Honor. You name the honor, Colonel David Hackworth got it. And Monday, his buddies, his soldiers and his admirers gathered in an Arlington Cemetery chapel to pay homage and remember this most decorated of American soldiers
Since when did you start believing commies???
2007-03-09 01:28:52 · answer #4 · answered by cantcu 7 · 4⤊ 1⤋
General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command, which included all American military activities in the 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Additionally, Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), which granted him overall command of NATO military forces in Europe 1997 - 2001. Awarded Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart for his service in Viet Nam and numerous subsequent medals and citations. Graduated valedictorian of his class at West Point.
Video interview ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos 3/5/06 (at 1:57 of the segment) : "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time." http://www.youtube.com
Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Major General Albert Stubblebine
Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.
Video 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.und
Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see Colonel Nelson, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, and Steve DeChiaro.
Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board
2007-03-09 01:17:07 · answer #5 · answered by dstr 6 · 3⤊ 3⤋
Why not got to a better source. Try the Secretary of Defense at the time - Robert McNamara. He certainly didn't blame it on the anti-war protesters.
2007-03-09 01:23:10 · answer #6 · answered by truth seeker 7 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Move to his place if you like him so much. Go fight in Iraq if you believe in that so much. Stop whining like a little girl on Yahoo Answers, go to your mommy and cry to her if you can't grow a brain and grow up.
2007-03-09 02:34:32 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
so... any war ever... you can't protest against... no matter what... right?
genius...
all because some Vietnamese general said that the protest won him one war...
2007-03-09 01:22:44 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋
Read my last statement about your statements NOT HOLDING WATER...
2007-03-09 01:21:51 · answer #9 · answered by linus_van_pelt_4968 5 · 4⤊ 1⤋
You don't give up, do you? You still think that you can get liberals to accept reality. You make Capt. Ahab look laid back.
2007-03-09 01:17:58 · answer #10 · answered by yupchagee 7 · 3⤊ 8⤋