A serious question please read entirely......... can anybody beat a?

Question

Hillary Clinton/Barrack Obama Ticket in 08? Not that I'm the biggest Hillary fan and not that I don't like her either.....but these two individuals represent and appeal to 2 of the biggest pools of non-voters in the U.S.
African Americans and Single Females are the 2 biggest pools of non-voters (and no, I am not ripping on either). If the last election was 51%-49% in the Republicans favor, Will the Republicans stand a chance running against these two in 08 with the potential of having these two pools of "non-voters" draining there votes into their ticket?

Don't let your personal beliefs answer this question for you. Think about it, non-voters that have a "reason" to come out and vote will determine the out come in 08. Is their another combo. that will appeal more to the non-voter and get them out and change the election?

Answer 1

That is the dream team. I have been saying that, and so have a lot of other people, for a long time. You can go online where they sell bumper stickers and find Clinton/Obama '08 bumper stickers and tshirts already. I already think a Democrat's going to take the White House, no matter who the candidate is. But Clinton/Obama would be unbeatable in this country right now. The mood is just right for it, and barring some miracle victory in Iraq and JC coming down to run for the Republicans, I don't think that mood will change much between now and Nov. '08.

Answer 2

Hi. There are several salient issues here:

-It is true that blacks tend to:
a) have lower turnout
b) tend to vote Democratic
But an Obama ticket- either Obama as President or VP- may energize black voters and increase turnout.

However, it remains to be seen if higher turnout as a result of an Obama ticket may not also energize white Conservative voters, particularly male voters, in favor of a Republican nominee. There may be a reaction to Obama that could favor the Republican.

An Obama/Clinton ticket may draw in female voters, but there is a significant proportion of white Conservative female voters that would never entertain the possibility of voting for Hillary. She is just hated by very many Republicans, both male and female.

On the other side:
Rudy has LOTS of personal image problems. He may be the "hero" of 9/11 to many Americans, but for most New Yorkers he is viewed as a tough-on-crime politician who led a very morally questionable life. Rudy had a very dirty public squabble with his wife, reporter Donna Hanover, he used Raoul Felder, a famous entertainment lawyer, to basically smear her in public (even as their poor son was stuck in the middle of it all), and all the while cheating on her with his mistress. On top of this, for a while he lived with a gay man. No wonder that his own son doesn't support him.

I do not see Rudy as winning over the white Christian vote, which is at least 50% of the Republican base. Perhaps Rudy's numbers are so good now because so few people realize just how many skeletons Rudy has (more than Bill ever did).

Hillary can win if she stays close to the middle and does not appear to pander to the Far Left. As always, this is hard to do because the primary system often encourages a far-left-of-center candidate to win the primary, only to lose the general election. Rudy could win over some of the moderate, socially Liberal northern wing of the Republican Party, but without significant support from the South (where neither he nor McCain are likely to woo voters to the polls), he is likely to fall short in a general election.

My bet for now is a narrow electoral victory for Hillary. She may or may not opt for Obama as a running mate (Edwards may be a better choice, given that he is relatively popular in the South and he may actually get some Conservative votes drawn away from an unappealing candidate like Giuliani).

And last but not least, not that this should matter today, but Giuliani, as a nominal Catholic, is problematic for Southerners (even if Kennedy proved that a Catholic can win a general election). Just imagine it: a womanizing, sleazy Catholic- winning in the South? It remains to be seen just how the South will vote; I think whoever wins the South will likely swing the election to their favor.

Answer 3

This is the most beatable combo I've could ever even imagine. Surely no one is serious about their chances are they? Does anyone from a blue state have a clue how stupid red states people think New Yorkers are for electing a woman who never even lived in their state? There is such a wide gulf between the people of this country that Demos seem to have no clue about. I think they are so enamored by their own sense of superiority that they are just blind. Well, let them stay that way and they'll wake up on election night once again, totally blown away by the vote of the real America.

Answer 4

Obama, at least, has made it quite clear that the African American community is more sophisticated than just "vote for the black candidate" and I tend to agree. People will vote for the person who best advances the agenda and values with which they agree.

An Obama/Clinton ticket is INCREDIBLY unlikely. Clinton will not allow herself to be recast as a VP candidate, nor is she likely to have a more charismatic person on the ticket as her VP. Aside from that, you get little or no geographic balance from a Clinton / Obama ticket... both Illinois and New York are going to go Democratic anyway.

And for people that go out there proposing Condoleeza Rice... I maintain that no one with strong attachments to this administration will have much of a future in politics. The only thing that will need to be shown is the clip of her saying "I believe it was called 'bin Laden determined to strike in the US'" when she was National Security Advisor. That's an ad that just writes itself.

Answer 5

By October of 07 Hillary will be yesterday's news. Not even Obama can bail her out and I doubt he would make the mistake of putting her on the ticket. Historically non-voters tend to stay non-voters. The energy created for the Republicans by having Hillary on the ticket cannot be discounted

Answer 6

Strattz, I don't believe either one of these two can modivate the groups you just mentioned. Being hypothetical, then one of them might stand a small chance. This election is takeing on an unwinnable election by the ones that have so far been shoved down our throats by media. I don't have alot of confidence in the voteing America especially afterseeing Clinton elected, but I believe we have become more informed by the ones informing us not to pay alot of attention to them. Obama and Hillary have turned themselves into media stars and not serious canidates. There fun to watch and they raise serious issues but the majority of the American public in their right mind don't take either one serious.

Answer 7

you're definitely genuine, there'll be lots extra electorate out this 3 hundred and sixty 5 days. yet they could no longer all be FOR Obama and Hil, their presence in the election and the help they have will additionally draw out conservatives who're scared to verify them in workplace! I agree that lots, lot extra liberals will make an effort to get their votes in, however the elections of 08 could have an severe turnout from all voter bases and we will in basic terms could wait and see the way it seems!

Answer 8

Yeah, that's one reason that I hope they don't go too negative on each other. I hope that whomever wins the nomination offers to campaign with the other as vice-president. Although, Hillary seems very ambitious. I couldn't say with certainty that she would settle for vice president.

Answer 9

Hillary also turns a lot of people off. She maybe note worthy but many people have already decided not to vote for her even if they don't know who they would vote for. Obama is just a flash in the pan and will probably be burned out before Christmas.

Answer 10

Well both of them will not be in the Presidential Election next year because both of them are Democrat. But watching them fight for the Democrat candidacy will be very interesting. I think who ever wins the candidacy will eventually win the election.