OK, Libby is guilty. Cheney was behind it. Is Bush also involved?

Question

From the evidence we've heard it is without doubt that Cheney was the instigator but for it to go that high I think Bush must have also, at least, been aware of what was happening.

What is being lost to everyone it seems is what started this entire thing. Wilson discovery that the reports of Saddam buying the yellow cake uranium from Africa were absolutely false. Wilson reported that fact to the CIA who filed a report that was obviously ignored. Hence Bush declaration during his speech. Bush and Cheney ignored the facts at hand in order to 'sell' the war to the US population. That tells me they knew very well all along the truth behind what Libby took the fall for.

Answer 1

Four Federal Felony's isn't just nothing as the Republicans are trying to down play. Bush and Cheney both are guilty like it was said, it came out in court that Scooter is the puppet. A jury convicted Libby, and that is almost impossible to overturn if you know anything about law.

Answer 2

Libby was found guilty of lieing under oath. More correctly he could be guilty of a faulty memory. In fact this case points to a dangerous trend to criminalize politics. I imagine the story went something like this. After J Wilson returned from his trip to Niger and wrote is op-ed piece for the NY Times reporters asked Libby the following question. Gee Scooter knowing that Wilson hates you guys and will tell any lie to discredit you why in the world did Cheney send him of all people on this mission. At which Libby said "we didn't send him, his wife who works at the CIA did" . That in a nut shell is the story. No crime was committed in the outing of Plame as is obvious in that the leakier (R. Armitage) has not been charged The British stand by their claim that saddam was indeed seeking uranium from Niger. The US senate has concluded that J Wilson was untruthful in all of his accusations against the Bush administration. This tactic of criminalizing politics was first used against senator J McCarthy in the 50's when despite evidence of communists working in the US state department a faux trial was conducted and the senator reputation destroyed. Bush will at least pardon Libby and history will show Libby to be a true patriot just as history has shown McCarthy to be

Answer 3

Libby was found guilty, but guilty of what crime? Was he guilty of "outing" a covert CIA agent? no, he wasn't. Why wasn't he charged with that crime? Because Valerie Plame was not defined as "covert" under the law protecting CIA agents as she had not been under cover for years.

The media did a fine job of chanting the mantra, "outing of a covert agent" over the last year or so, knowing the simple fact of Plame's situation. Further, if this were the real crime, it was long ago found out that it was actually Richard Armitage who disclosed that Plame worked for the CIA. Why wasn't he charged? Because there was no crime. One had to be made up and so they charged Libby with perjury.

You do make a good point by saying Cheney and Bush were behind it all, since this is really what the media wanted you to believe, and you would have made a perfect juror. The media also used the same type of technique in nazi Germany when they said that disabled people were subhuman and needed to be euthanized for "their own good". If you say something long enough and enough times, the weakest minds will begin to chant the same thing. You prove that point beautifullly.

Answer 4

Really? And what evidence would that be? Jurors stating they believed the conspiracy goes higher does not constitute evidence. Libby committed perjury he was found guilty. I don't have a problem with this, you lie under oath, you get caught, you get punished, unless your name is Clinton of course. The only connection to the Plame investigation this case had was that Libby lied, we already know the name of the leaker, it was Armitage. I know this doesn't satisfy the administration hating set, but then anything short of bringing down the whole administration will not satisfy them. It's obvious that people who keep posting on this are not interested in the proper application of justice based on provable facts, but rather the justice they deem necessary based on innuendo and suspicion in absence of actual evidence to support their cause. In short, it's over, get over it already.

Edit: What you are presenting is called speculation. I will not say you are correct or incorrect in this. However, speculation does not constitute evidence. Present real evidence to this effect and I will be happy to stand with you and call for punishment, but without evidence it's useless as anything other than a thought exercise. This seems to be the part that Bush haters constantly miss. It doesn't matter what you think you might know. What counts is what you can prove.

Juliete: Again, what four felonies? What evidence can you provide to support them? Specifically, what evidence that constitutes a smoking gun in the hand of the President or Vice President? I don't doubt Libby is a fall guy. I am just not that naive. However, as I stated previously, it is not what you might know, but rather what you can prove.

Answer 5

What is lost ON YOU is that Wilson's claims have been debunked. The administration was simply trying to find out who this idiot was publishing all these claims. Richard Armitage "outed" Valerie Plame, and Armitage was definitely no friend to the administration...quite the contrary. The person who WROTE the law about outing covert operatives has repeatedly said that Plame did not meet that criteria.

Answer 6

Maybe, maybe not. I'd say that the chances of proving that Bush and Cheney were involved are about as good as proving that President Reagan had involvement with Iran-Contra. Political administrations in general have a knack for circling the wagons and setting up fall guys. Even if Reagan played an integral part in Iran-Contra, and this I doubt simply because of his style of putting brilliant people around him and delegating authority to them, they'll never prove it, and the investigation fell flat. The same is true here.

Answer 7

The facts came out during Libby's trial that Bush orchestrated a cover-up which in other words is obstruction of justice, and is a major felony and a very impeachable crime.

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Answer 8

I still marvel at the way some Americans, mostly liberals, convict people on absolutely no evidence. If this crap isn't anti-American, then I don't know what is. You've already convicted the Vice President of something he had nothing to do with and now you want to implicate the President. If someone tried to do something similar to you you'd be screaming about your rights and being innocent until proven guilty. Just another double-standard hysterical lib.

Answer 9

OnlyScooter, Cheney, and Bush know the answer to your question. After the verdict, the chief prosecutor stated there would be no more persuit of others in the matter.

Answer 10

Libby is guilty. Let it go. Unless you are willing to discuss the "suicide" of Vince Foster and how the Clinton White House had FBI files pertaining to national security disappear and then miraculously reappear on Hillary's desk.