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Does it really take three to hold them down (this time a woman) and another to punch hell out of them !!!!!!

2007-03-07 23:19:05 · 25 answers · asked by muddy 2 in Politics & Government Law & Ethics

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I have to say I was shocked by the pictures. What I want to know is how so many officers came from the shadows. Usually you can never get one. Whatever the reasons punching her as he did was unacceptable. There were enough officers to apprehend without that level of violence. I believe in our police and wish sometimes they would clip a few ears but that went too far.

2007-03-08 01:59:41 · answer #1 · answered by deadly 4 · 1 0

I believe it does take three or more officers to safely and effectively restrain a person. As 'unfair' as it may at first seem, it is actually much safer to make the 'contest' between police and alleged offender as one sided as possible. This is not simply in order to allow the police to 'gang up' on the alleged offender, what you have to understand is this: If the struggle between the two parties is equally balanced, this will tend to lead to a lengthy struggle where nobody can get the 'upper hand' making the likelihood of injury to any person involved much higher. If the struggle is very one sided, (i.e. the police significantly overpower the assailant) it will be settled quickly, in a more controlled manner and therefore, whilst it does appear like the police are 'ganging up' there is a much reduced chance of any injuries taking place.

With regards to the punching - i assume you are referring to the incident publicised in today's british news - which I don't think is something anybody can pass a fair judgement on. The law states that an officer may use 'such force as is reasonable in the circumstances'. You can hardly see what the full circumstances are in the footage available and for that matter, you can't completely see the nature of the force being used. Where were the blows directed towards? What was the assailant doing at the time? Was she assaulting the officer? Was she resisting arrest? She could have been struggling, hitting, biting or spitting. If the assailant was gripping the officers clothing or flesh in order to resist arrest (and thus assaulting the officer if it was his flesh) it's fair to say that blows to the gripping arm is 'such force as is reasonable in the circumstances'.

2007-03-08 12:12:42 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Only one police officer is needed to arrest an offender. Other police officers are then required to restrain and detain a non-compliant offender who resists arrest and to protect the police officers, offender and public from other persons who decide they want to get involved.
If you have ever tried to restrain a person who is actively trying to injure you, you will know how ridiculous you question is.
In order to control a violent person it is usually necessary to put them on the ground and restrain each limb, therefor four officers would be necessary. If the offender was biting or spitting, a fifth officer may be necessary to control the offenders head. Additional officers may also be necessary to protect the restraining officers on from attack by other persons.
The age,race, sex and size of the offender is not particularly relevant if they are actively trying to injure you, you are entitled to defend yourself.
It may be necessary to punch or even kick an offender in order to gain control.The use of CS or batons is also an option. In some countries the offender could be shot. How far do you want to take this. Its very easy for someone to critisise the police but you must look at the whole picture, not just a few editted highlights.

2007-03-08 12:47:38 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I'm getting sick and tired of this topic now, so I'll keep it short.

If police officers were lawfully able to 'restrain' a person one-on-one as the thugs in the streets do (we've all seen the Friday night CCTV clips), they would simply give the person a good, hard smack across the face with their 22 inch steel baton. We would win every time.

Unfortunately, we have a duty of care and are unable to jutify doing this, so have to be careful in restraining someone and YES this takes AT LEAST one officer on each limb to reduce the risk of injury to officers, the public and of course the friendly offender.

You make it sound as though each of the 4 officers were getting 'stuck' into her! I am in no doubt that the officer pushed his emergency button, hence the dog handler etc. turned up to help, therefore making it appear that there were more than necessary. I know when I'm in trouble, I'm thankful if a dozen of my colleagues turn up as I'm simply not paid enought to act as a punch bag for scum.

Can I suggest those who criticise the police give their local force a call and perhaps go out for the night with them. Your skills at sorting the local, drunken thugs out by purely using your amazing verbal skills would be a real asset to society.

2007-03-08 13:24:56 · answer #4 · answered by Ben G 2 · 0 0

and of course anybody who was there at the time please stand up? No didnt think so. The TV news I was watching only showed face value. As an ex police officer and prison officer I know that sometimes when people are drunk or on drugs it can take more people to restrain them than you would think by just looking at them. In our seg unit there was a guy called Williams who stood 4 feet 10 inches tall and when he flared up it usually took 8 officers to restrain him. Remember that this person on the CCTV had been vandalising cars and why does she deserve sympathy?
Until you are all willing to go out in the frontline and stand up to the criminals yourselves and experience what happens when you do, you should all shut up.

2007-03-08 14:50:31 · answer #5 · answered by vdv_desantnik 6 · 0 0

If that person is fighting back then why should a Police Officer risk being injured in their line of duty? If they need to restrain the person and need help doing it then fine, they dont get physical by choice, that was the choice of the person resisting arrest.

Also, you have no idea how or why that woman was being hit. It is claimed that the purpose was to deaden her arm so she could be handcuffed. This technique is approved by the Home Office so if it is what happened then the Officer was doing nothing wrong. They cannot be expected to give in to someone who tries to fight their way out of an arrest.

Police Officers have to do this as part of their job. They should not have to put up with violence from anyone ( male or female ) and should take whatever measures neccessary to avoid injury to their person.

2007-03-08 07:27:56 · answer #6 · answered by penny century 5 · 3 2

I would suppose they would use as many officers as is necessary to complete the arrest.

A thinking, mature person with nothing to hide would cooperate with the officers. If that person is being arrested by error, it can always be discussed later.

When you resist arrest, you risk being hurt in the process. If the officers want to arrest you, they will use whatever force is necessary...how much force they use is in your hands.

And, gender doesn't have anything to do with it....a resisting woman is the same as a resisting man.....

2007-03-08 09:41:54 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Its easy to look at the end result of a situation, and draw a conclusion. If it takes 6 to subdue a violent offender with out being injured yourself then 6 it will be. remember spitting in the face of anyone is battery, and potentially deadly with hepatitis and aids around. Do you feel because of the high pay an officer receives he is obligated to accept injuries in a one on one situation?

2007-03-08 07:36:00 · answer #8 · answered by Simon M 3 · 1 1

Why is it poor, misguided people think making an arrest is supposed to be a fair fight or something..it is not a game or sport,it is a job to be acomplished while avoiding any injury to the officers.

2007-03-08 09:36:19 · answer #9 · answered by baalberith11704 4 · 1 0

if your referring to the incident with the CCTV footage then one officer cant deal with it i don't condone violence in any shape or form but that CCTV footage does not show a clear picture to what went on we don't know what that women in question was doing to the police its been alleged since she was swearing and hitting one of them and trying to bite his arm just because its a women does not mean it only takes one officer to hold her down if shes struggling its safer to have a few officers to grab her legs or arms to stop her hurting herself and the officers there will be an enquiry and i think its best not to judge what we saw on the TV until all the facts come out in a report there is always two sides to a story

2007-03-08 07:32:27 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

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