Fate versus free-will?

Question

What happens to our society if we uphold fate as the determining principle for moral law? Can we hold a human being responsible for his actions?. How does free-will negate to this contention?

Very marvelous answer Amp. Thank you.

I was pointing out to the argument that assuming that one's actions or responsibilities were determined by our fate as the determining factor to conscientiously hold that man is good or in contrary, bad.

In this question, assuming free-will exists(we all know that it does exist), how does it rectify and make the contention corrigible?

I wasn't particularly meticulous about law of justice as being uphold by our society through reiforcement of peace officers or court indictments to those quilty.
This is all just a given argument, superficial in nature, because we all know our society have built extreme measures to determine the innocence where fate and free-will are not standing ground but man's actions themselves., but I would be enlightened to hear views on this.

Answer 1

If fate was used as our moral law? We could not hold humans responsible for any action. Fate control all actions, because all action was predetermined by fate. Free-will Gives the responsibility the human. It says your responsible for your action not some unknown force. You can believe what you want but, moral law must be based on free-well.

Answer 2

I agree with jkkk k.

However, with regard to society, we certainly do hold people accountable for activities which they are determined to do, just as most think animals lack rational distance and have no problem punishing the passional animal.

For instance, everyone violates the speed limit on the highway; it's in fact dangerous not to violate the speed limit on some highways. And yet some people are rounded up each day and held accountable, even though we must obey the traffic culture regardless of what the posted speed limit is.

To universalize: we don't ever need agency to place blame. When a person behaves inappropriately, it's the job of justice, law, diffuse norms, to change that indivudual, to make them recognize their immorality and adjust. Because we are determined, a determined order of society has evolved to regulate the expression of our limited roles.

Answer 3

What makes you think it's either/or?

You have freewill. You can choose to do whatever you like. But what if you're a brilliant artist. You're born with a gift for drawing. You are destined to be a great artist. That is your fate. But no one can force you to do it. Your parents discourage you from being artistic. You become ashamed & stop drawing. You are too afraid to follow your dream, so you become a plumber, like your father. You earn a decent living. You are very unhappy. You get married to someone you don't love because it's safe. You always sense that something is wrong. You have bad luck. Things go wrong. You become ill. Then one day you can't take it anymore. You leave a dead-end marriage & a dead-end job & decide to take the plunge. You start painting. You feel alive again. Wonderful things start to happen. Your health improves. Now you start showing your work in galleries. You meet a fellow artist & fall madly in love. You have never been so happy. Everything seems to fall into place.

You have freewill to do the right thing or the wrong thing. The universe will give you little signs if you're on the right or the wrong track. But you are not a puppet. No one is forcing you to do anything. It's your choice. But when you follow your heart, go with your instincts, when you strive for your dreams, when you are authentic with yourself & move toward your fate then you are happier & have a better life. When you deny your fate, try to stifle your dreams & refuse to be who you know you are deep down, you end up miserable & unfulfilled or worse, stressed out & ill. You begin to die inside. Be who you are. A tree has to be a tree. A bird is a bird. You are you & there is only one of you & you are meant for a unique experience on this earth. Find out what that is & then do it! We all have a right to be happy. It's up to us to find the right path toward that happiness.

I know because it happened to me.

There is no bad luck or good luck. You make your own luck. Reach out for your destiny. Find yourself, love yourself then go after what you want. You have the freewill to be happy or to be unhappy. You have the freewill to be good or evil. You can do the right or the wrong thing. You may blame experiences in your life for making you a certain way but ultimately you are responsible for what you do. It's always your choice.

Answer 4

Fate and free-will are inter-woven as part of life's perfect cycle of destiny. This philosophy is fully explained in the book "Another Thought" by OC Tross.

Answer 5

Free will exists. Fate does not. Our society flourished because we built a government based on GOD existing. God exists; "fate" is the pagan's way of explaining himself out of responsibility (see Islam). As long as we Americans knew God was watching, we were responsible, and so we were in control. When we tossed God out, we also tossed responsibility out. I'm not surprised that people want to blame "fate" now, but that never will make it any less the fiction that it is.

We are responsible before a just and holy God. "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment" (Matthew 12:36).

Answer 6

I don't see why the 2 are self exclusive. Your decisions determine your fate, conversely the fate you previously put into motion determines your decisions. The 2 are intertwined not divided.

Answer 7

fate are for losers who use this as an excuse to negate responsibility for the sh!tty life they created for themselves.

free will are for aS$holes that are even remotely successful. they want to attribute all the (perceived) success they have had to their own cunning and quasi-intelligent efforts.

when the aS$hole screws himself over...his life has surprisingly become 'fate'!