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No need to report me now. I'm not being racist or bigot. Haven't had problem with Jews and haven't been huge on Mel Gibson or the "Passion of Christ". However, i'm starting to believe he had a point in his accusation connecting Jews and world wars, recent wars atleast. I mean, all the problems the Arab world had and is having with the west (and sometimes the rest of the world) has everything to do with Jews and their stronghold in the american government, doesn't it? Honestly!!

Tell me what you think!

2007-03-04 23:15:36 · 14 answers · asked by Biqo 2 in Politics & Government Politics

P.S. I'm talking about the fact that the West is so Pro-Zionist that's it's blind to the cause of the Palastinine Arabs which is pissing everybody off, which is also the reason for 9/11, and the subsequent invasion of Iraq (and probably Iran, in the near future).

2007-03-04 23:26:40 · update #1

14 answers

Assuming you are being serious with this question, I'll try and answer it by covering the origins of the world's most recent wars...

1.) World War I began when a Bosnian Serb anarchist group assassinated the Archduke of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. In retaliation, the Austro-Hungarians called upon their allies, the Germans, to mutually declare war on the Serbs. Both countries did this knowing full well that the Russians would back the Serbs and declare war on them. The German Kaiser wanted war because it was the perfect excuse to invade France. (Remember, Napoleon had ruled over all of them not 50 years earlier.) So when Germany invaded France and Belgium, their English allies were forced to join the fight. Europe, being the most imperialistic continent in history, saw the war as an excuse for a good old fashioned "Land grab." None of these imperial powers were run by Jews. Just the same old Monarchs and Aristocrats who had been using their feudal land system of power over their own lower class peasantry to man armies designed to expand their empires, over Europe and the rest of the world.

2.) World War II came as the result of the harsh reparations England, France and their allies had imposed upon the now defunct Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany. Despite American President Woodrow Wilson's plea not to take advantage of their victory, the Allies demanded so much from their defeated enemies (documented in the Treaty of Versailles) that it kept Germany in a permanent economic depression for the next 10 odd years. Again, none of these Allied nations were headed by Jews. But when Hitler came to power and basically tore the treaty to pieces and created a national socialist state, the people loved him. Who could blame them? They were being raped by the rest of Europe for over a decade. So when Hitler's obsession with communists, gypsies and Jews came about, who were they to argue? In a nutshell, World War II was all about seeking revenge on Britian and France for the humiliating Treaty of Versailles which had destroyed the German spirit for so long. A side-effect of the economic collapse of Germany under the Treaty of Versailles, was the devaluation of German currency. Overnight, German money was worthless. Everyone was broke. Everyone except for the Jewish population. Thanks to racist laws prohibiting Jews from dealing in trades that involved money, Jews had been forced to make a living in precious metals such as silver, gold, jewelry and other commodities. Things that never lose value. The irony was that because of these restrictions, the German-Jewish population remained economically sound while the German-Christian population went bankrupt. This, of course, created a lot of resentment against the Jews and laid the groundwork for their being scapegoated by Hitler's government.

Of course, none of the strife in Europe had anything to do with the war going on in Asia, where an Imperialist Japan was invading China, Korea and the rest of its neighbors, killing by the millions in order to insure a steady flow of natural resources (Japan being an island which depends on imports for most modern day essentials like petrolium). And I can guarentee you none of the leaders of those countries were Jews.

Now the troubles I assume you're referring to that involve Jews, would be the formation of Isreal which happened after Allied forces defeated Germany for the second time. But now that it was the Americans who were calling the shots, all the European countries were forced to give up their imperial colonies around the world. Including the winners of the war, England and France. This included parts of the middle-east (rent Lawrence of Arabia) where England and France had ruled for years. This was how Iraq was formed. The boarders focusing more on British Petrolium interests more than cultural lines. (Which is why Iraq is in a civil war today.) So when the newly formed United Nations (an off-shoot of President Wilson's defunct League of Nations) established an ex-colonial piece of land known as Palestine for the remaining Jews of Europe to return to and live without fear of being exterminated again when things in their host country goes bad, all finally seemed right with the world. The problem was, these Jews had been European for thousands of years. These weren't the tribal cultures who were driven out of the middle-east by the Egyptians and the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar thousands of years earlier. They were Europeans. Not only capitalists, they were white! And they managed to turn an arrid dessert waste land into a first world country within a matter of decades. This of course humiliated the Arab, Egyptian and Persian countries, who had already suffered years of European colonial rule. Finally they were rid of the invaders, only to be shown up by these so-called native Jews.

3.) Hence came the 6 day war, when several of the middle-eastern states attacked Isreal in an attempt to oust what they saw as a puppet country for the West to hold mid-east influence. The Jews of course had had enough of being slaughtered and scape-goated and fought back so hard that they defeated all invading armies in just six days. And to protect themselves from further attack, they kept the lands they had occupied during the war as a buffer zone. Land that is still disputed today as Palestinian.

3.) The Korean War of the 50s and the Vietnam war of the 60s was all about Capitalism V.S. Communism in Asia. The United States was inspired to fight by Joseph Stalin's aggressive moves to invade Eastern Europe after World War II, also to create a buffer zone of protection. After Napolean invaded Russian, then Hitler invaded Russia, killing between 10 to 30 million Russians, they were one paranoid nation. And when China went Communist, followed by Korea and Vietnam, the United States panicked and went to war to try and stop what was known as "the domino effect". Obviously these wars had nothing to do with Jews since Soviet Russia was athiest, Russian culture was quite anti-Jewish, and no Jews lived in China, Korea or Vietnam, much less ran their governments.

4.) As for the mess we're in today, Osama Bin Ladin began his career as a Warlord fighting against the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan in the 1980s. That was when Bin Ladin was our friend. When the Soviet Union fell, Bin Ladin took it as a victory for the Salafi Jihadists, an extreme sect of Islam founded in Saudi Arabia. That victory, along with America's involvement in Somalia, inspired Bin Ladin to turn the Jihad into a Global fight and attack the United States like he did with Russia. That attack backfired on him, which is why he's most likely dead by now.

5.) Unfortunately, 9/11 gave certain people in the U.S. government the perfect excuse to exercise their own version of "the domino theory" in the middle east. The neo-conservatives, who originally a group of left wing Jewish idealists from the beginning of the 20th century, had morphed into a right wing christian movement in the beginning of the 21st century. The neo-conservative ideology of transforming the middle-east into a democratic land had been taken over by Vice President Dick Cheny and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Invading Iraq, which was a secular totalitarian state hated by Bin Ladin, had only a window of a chance to work before the Islamic extremists would fill the void. Cheny and Rumsfeld's mishandling of post-war Iraq caused the remaining Jewish Neo-conservatives in America to abandon the movement all together. In their eyes, it was now nothing but a move to secure oil reserves disguised as a Christian crusade and a war against terrorism.

Meanwhile, the problems of Isreal and its neighbors have been overshadowed by America's involvement in the middle east. If the world ever thought Isreal and the Jews were manipulating U.S. policy, they sure don't see it that way anymore.

Anyway, hope that bit of history helps. Feel free to rebutt. I'm more than willing to continue.

P.S. For the record, I am not Jewish. My father's side of the family came from Venice, Italy, and my Mother's side of the family was Lebanese Marinite Christian. I myself was born and raised in Chicago.

2007-03-05 01:16:58 · answer #1 · answered by nitejrny282 2 · 3 2

See, the West is pro-Israeli. But you must know history first.
This is what happend in order:

1930's: Hitler comes to power and kills Jews.

1930's: At this point, the British have colonized present day Israeli/Palestinian lands.

1945: WWII ends and the whole world realizes the horrors of the camps and the 6 million Jewish deaths.

1948: Israel is created using British colonized lands in Palestine.

1948-Present day: The West (which has "adopted" Israel) gives MASSIVE support to the Israeli nation. Money, weapons, military training, economic support, and so on. Israel becomes powerful.

Since, then, the West has been supporting Israel. Why? Becomes the West believes (secretly) that they are responsible for the 6 million Jewish deaths.

See, when news of concentration camps came from Nazi Germany, the Americans and the British DID NOT believe it. They thought it was a hoax. They never believed that the "great" Adolf Hitler would do such a thing. Infact, the British had knowledge of the camps in 1942!!! But they did not believe it.

But finally it happened. Here is how it did:

[Some information regarding Auschwitz reached the Allies during 1941-1944, such as the reports of Witold Pilecki and Jerzy Tabeau, but the claims of mass killings were generally dismissed as exaggerations. This changed with receipt of the very detailed report of two escaped prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, which finally convinced most Allied leaders of the truth about Auschwitz in the middle of 1944.]

CRUSHED WITH GUILT, the Western armies plowed through Nazi occupied Europe crushing Hitler AND trying to find the death camps. They soon found out...and felt like idiots for sitting around and doing nothing about it. They saw 6 million Jews killed.

Therefore, in their guilt, they decided to support Israel FULLY and give it WHATEVER it wanted.

Also, bear in mind that the West is mostly Christian. And the Bible says that the Israelis are the Chosen People. So the West helps Israel on that basis also.

NOW FOR THE ARAB Question:
OK...I see the plight of the Palestinian people and their suffering. They get attacked by cluster bombs, Apache helicopters, missiles, and fighter jet strikes.

But do you see why? It is not Israel's fault! But that of the Palestinian warmongers. That is what will happen if one side resorts to suicide bombing, molotov bombs, and homemade rockets.

The Palestinian leaders don't realize that peace can be gained from diplomacy. While 50% of their government wants to sit down with Israel, the other 50% (Hamas) bombs Israel and tells that Israel can't exist! What stupidity and arrogance! I mean, "Get real!"

How you blame Israel then? The military exists in most nations to remind the enemy that any attack will have consequences. And Israel has the right to self-defence. So the Hamas deserves it. But the Palestinian people do not. But don't blame Israel.

So, in my opinion, Hamas is the TRUE OPPRESOR of the Palestinian people. NOT ISRAEL.

On closing thoughts, bear in mind that the West also cares for Arabs. They sincerely want the Palestininian people to be united under its own flag but thanks to Hamas and other Palestinian warmongers, that will never happen. And who suffers? The ordinary Palestinian people pay for the crimes of their leadership.

So no, Jews are not responsible for any world wars. Why? do you think Hilter would NOT have attacked Europe if there were no Jews? haha! That warmonger would still have attacked Europe for some damned racial philosophy.

America supports Israel. But who supports the suicide bombing Hamas militants? Syria and Iran! SO MY QUESTION IS: WHO REALLY FUELS THE CONFLICT? You decide...I have given you many facts that will help you decide and see the truth.

2007-03-05 00:18:16 · answer #2 · answered by Jack 3 · 2 3

Wow, you go from holding your hands up and claiming that you're not an anti-Semite to accusing the Jews for being responsible for the World Wars, recent wars and the current Middle East problems. You also cite "the Jews and their stronghold in the American government".
Did you ever think of trying to find, I don't know, evidence to support your claims? You're coming off as quite the anti-Semite, despite your early denial of this.
Since when did Jews have a "stronghold in the American government"? Yeah, all of those Jewish presidents, Senators, Governors and Supreme Court Justices. Oh wait, there's been very few of them in the whole history of the U.S. and never a single Jewish President ever. Jews are a very small minority in the U.S. also. Where is this "stronghold"?
So Israel is to blame, for claiming a very, very small patch of land that has no natural resources? There's no oil or natural gas in Israel. Yet Israel is the only functional, prosperous, mostly secular democracy in the region. Many of the Arab countries have vast oil and natural gas resources, yet the money is concentrated in the hands of the small ruling classes and the rest of the people go poor. Then the leaders blame Israel and the U.S. for this.
Oh yeah, back to your basic question. So, did the Jews win or lose the world wars? What did they gain from WWI? Most of them lived in Europe and had to deal with the economic depression that followed WWI. Did they win that one?
6 million of them died in WWII (please don't deny this, you'll just look stupid and even more anti-Semitic), did they win that one? Sure, Israel formed shortly after WWII but it wasn't easy, England basically tried to prevent the formation of the country and you would say that England "was on the Jews side" during WWII, right?
So can I report you for being an anti-Semite? Is that OK?

As far as the Palestinians, the crime is that instead of taking them in, the Arab world just sends them money for food, schools and weapons but it really just supports their perpetually corrupt leadership. Arafat's wife was getting like 130 thousand dollars a MONTH in Paris while he was alive. He was estimated to have stolen tens of millions (maybe more) from the charity funds over the years. Hamas is a terrorist organization so they can't be much better.
Before the formation of Israel there were large Jewish populations in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Libya, Lebanon and other Arab countries (look in the Bible for the last scattering of Israel, they all just stayed where they were put). Anti-Jewish sentiment flared up after WWII in the Muslim world and Israel opened its doors to these Middle Eastern Jews. It wasn't their homelands but it was a safe place to start a new life. Israel wasn't flooded with European Jews. Look at native Israelis. They're Middle-Eastern, for the most part.
So considering the size and vast wealth of some of the Muslim Arab countries, it's kind of confusing why none of them have tried to organize something like Israel did. Why leave the Palestinians in that situation, with their corrupt leadership and strong terrorist element? Help them start new lives in a safer, more positive place. That's what Israel did and it's worked out for them so far. I guess the Saudi royal family and other wealthy Arabs in oil-rich countries would rather have marble staircases in their palaces, 15 Bentleys and posh homes across the world.

2007-03-04 23:38:11 · answer #3 · answered by lupin_1375 5 · 3 3

I am jewish, and yes, we have started all the recent wars.

I especially want to take credit for the one in Somalia that's being fought between Christians and Muslims and the one in Sudan... I know there are no jews there right now, but somehow we did that one too.

I know it's hard to believe, but somehow I did it, with my bare hands.

I would also like to take responsibility for taking over the mass media of the world, inventing capitalism, inventing communism, suppressing those poor arabs who have tried to drive us into the mediterranean three times in the past 60 years, somehow completely influencing the politics of a nation that's more than 70% christian, and also for killing christian babies and eating matzos with their blood,

"If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions."

Abba Eban

2007-03-05 14:59:57 · answer #4 · answered by yurionkeyboards 2 · 2 3

There is no such thing as "Jews", apart from anyone else.. At least 20% of the Western and Islamic World together is of some substantial degree of Jewish descent. And this fraction is doubled when taken in proportion to the higher classes of people, those who move and shake and make history (ie-excluding the 'lumpen', the below-average)

We have met the enemy and he is us. Only hope is the Messiah. Man cant do it on his own.

2007-03-04 23:23:32 · answer #5 · answered by henry george 1 · 2 2

NO Wall St Corporate USA and the Duponts caused WW2 with the help of other Rich Americans including
Lindbergh FDR Prescott Bush

2015-08-14 20:25:25 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

the west supports one team, the east supports another. no reason to blow up the WTC. the palestinians are blatantly opposed to any move for peace outside the destruction of israel. seems the region is a breeding ground for unreasonable people.

2007-03-05 00:11:53 · answer #7 · answered by alex l 5 · 1 0

Yes.

The Jews are actually an advanced race who have developed and learned to use the JOORAY. This mystical weapon only works on weak minded people. When used on the Muslims of the world they went bezerk and started killing, beheading, burning and rioting all over the world. Let's look at places the Jews started conflicts in the world, today:

Bosnia
Kosovo
Chechnya
Sudan
Indonesia
Thailand
Nigeria
Iraq
Afghanistan
Palestine
Lebanon
Iran

Be aware that the JOORAY works!

2007-03-04 23:25:05 · answer #8 · answered by ? 6 · 6 4

No. Jews are not the problem Those who hate Jewish people are the problem. Why does Iraq, Iran, etc want to wipe out the Jewish people? Because the Jews are God's chosen people. Hitler tried to assasinate all the Jewish people. Radical groups in the US and around the world call them "those Christ killing Jews". Jews didn't kill Christ, the Romans did. But its ok because that was Christ's purpose for being on this earth..to be sarificed for our sins. "Greater love hath no man......

2007-03-04 23:25:43 · answer #9 · answered by sarge 6 · 5 5

If you took all the weapons from the Jews there would be genocide.

If you took all the weapons from the Muslims there would be peace.

2007-03-05 00:26:17 · answer #10 · answered by mefeelsgreat9 1 · 2 0

My answer is no.

Jews didn't fly planes into the WTC.

Jews aren't involved in theviolence in Iraq. It's been going on in one ofrm or another for many years and in many places in the middle east.

There is no world war going on right now.

2007-03-04 23:20:31 · answer #11 · answered by Charlie S 6 · 4 3

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