Why don't Gays Push for Privatizing Social Security and abolishing of the Death Tax?

Question

Realistically, Gay marriage isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. I'm not saying this to be mean, look at the facts - Clinton signs the DOMA, Liberal states like New York and California won't allow gay marriages, Vermont and New Jersey provide a lesser union, and Massachusetts is in the process of repealing their gay marriage laws.

Why doesn't the gay community work to remove the laws that are unfair to them instead? Like privatizing social security so your partner can receive YOUR money when you check out, or eliminating the death tax so you can share YOUR money and property with your loved one rather than the federal gvmt?

When I die, my property passes to my wife. You should be treated equally by the gvmt.

So why do you focus so much on marriage when you could attract a larger group of people to these causes that give you the same benefits as marriage?

Everyone has the right to pursue happiness and form associations as they choose get the gvmt out of marriage biz!

Meg - Interesting answer. So you would rather cause harm to yourself and support a political party that doesn't help you rather than support a cause that would help you only because that cause is supported by a political party you don't like.

That actually states a lot about you and your cause.

Wide - Liberals don't support your cause. They just give you lip service before stabbing you in the back. Et tu?

I wonder if gays start supporting privatization of SS and elimination of the death tax if they will get more attention from the liberals.

Miss A & Rose - Interesting that you would rather have the gvmt take your money over keeping it only because it would also help people you don't like.

Answer 1

Many gays could care less about actual "marriage." Unfortunately many laws in the US are written with the word "marriage" used as a qualifier. In other words, if you are not married, you are not covered under the law. Many of these laws actually have NOTHING to do with marriage, but unless they are changed we are stuck with them as written.

We are actually fighting for equal treatment under these laws.

Answer 2

But these things don't help gays, and cause more damage in general. Privatizing social security won't help anyone, and will lead to more severe poverty among the elderly. Removing the 'death penalty' won't help anyone but the richest 5% or so of the populations, and doesn't have any effect on who gets your money. Both of these causes help the ultra-rich escape from tax debts and increase their wealth while having negative impacts (or no impact in the case of the so-called death tax) on the poor and middle class.

Edited to add - I have no problem with paying my fair share of taxes. Taxes are paid by all people, in order to benefit all people. They provide services like roads and schools and public transportation, all of which help society as a whole. My husband and I make decent money, and we pay higher taxes because we are better able to afford to do so. I have no problem with having my money used for the greater good, unlike the Republicans, who are all apparently greedy and don't want to contribute at all.

Answer 3

First, we already have "privatized social security". It's called an IRA, or maybe 401(k), or maybe even a plain old savings account. We don't need another level of beaurocracy (and nice bonuses for the Wall Street brokers and financial institutions).

Second, gay partners don't quality for death-related Social Security benefits as it is, thanks to DOMA. For the government to pay that benefit, they would first have to recognize same-sex unions.

Third, the same goes for the death tax. Since most state governments don't recognize same-sex unions, surviving partners have to pay an inheritance tax that opposite-sex partners do not.

In all of those cases, the problem is not to change the way the money is handled or how it's collected. It's how to get it back, and that requires fair and equal protection.

Answer 4

Hey - guess what?
Once the US stops discriminating about STATE-given marriage rights, and gives them to all citizens, you can be that we will line up for fighting fights like the estate tax.

However, we do not have the luxury of the estate tax due to not being able to get married.

So, campaign for same-gender marriage, which must come first, and you will be AMAZED at the number of us that will come over and support your causes. But you have to support ours first, as it is the cornerstone of all the STATE-given rights associated with marriage.

p.s. Certainly more liberals support LGBT issues than the other side, who keep trying to "cure" something that is not an illness.

Answer 5

Agreed honest tax, truly. a flat tax that applies to all of us, no count number how a lot you're making a minimum of partly privatize SS Outlaw collective bargaining for public sector unions, no longer for inner most sector unions hearth, you're slightly erroneous and paying for too a lot Democrat propaganda. you've a level on the collective bargaining for "inner most" sector workers. Even FDR knew that public sector unions will be a disaster, it truly is largely what's contributing to our economic disaster; unfunded liabilities to public sector unions, pensions, etc. the different significant piece of this puzzle is entitlements, which contain SS, Medicare and Medicaid. they're all in dire opt for of drastic reform If the U.S. authorities were a company, that that they had be bankrupt years in the past, bleeding funds profusely...

Answer 6

I believe that Marriage should only be between a man an a woman and done only in churches and NOT recognized by state or government. Couples who choose to MARRY should NOT have the rights traditionally given to those that are married. Rather i believe that civil unions SHOULD be given to 2 adults REGARDLESS of gender. then the state and government should ONLY recognize and give benifit to those who are in a CIVIL UNION ONLY..

I don't want to give up on the cause just because it won't happen anytime soon. We have to keep pushing man. Also, I like Obama when he said..... thats like giving Paris Hilton a tax cut.

Answer 7

Why would gays, who would be bombed out of existance if the right wing had its druthers support the right wing agenda?

Answer 8

These are sensible points.

The difficulty is that repealing laws is far harder than creating them in the first place...but I wish you luck.