Why do evolutionists deny God? Is it ok if I say their beliefs are wrong by raising these issues?

Question

Natural selection: Natural selection is the process by which favorable traits that are heritable propagate throughout a

reproductive population.
But why should natural selection happen? If we are just some kind of machine without any external intelligence, why there

should be a tendecy to get better? Is it possible some intelligent being is struggling to improve itself?

Brain and Mind: Please correct me if I am wrong. Though this doesn't correspond directly to evolution but is related to

more of bilogical science and tends to prove what we are in reality. It seems scientists tend to believe that all our

thoughts consious and unconsious are rooted in our brain. They seem to identify the places where brain get activated when a

specific kind of thought is happening. I would counter that buy saying that brain is just a channel (or whatever we can

say) for thought. If a car has a capability to drive doesn't mean it is itself driving. Some person needs to drive...

Same thing with brain. It is not just a channel for new thoughts but also a store house for already thought about

things. For involuntary and subconscious decisions like breathing, eating, walking, calcuating basic math etc brain can be

directly used by brain. But if a new puzzle or a new challenge is faced some intelligent being has to sort it out and make

it a learning process with practice. Again please correct me if I am wrong.

98nil:
Of course I was not refering to jut humans. My actual question if we assume that we re some automatic beings like machines that originally developed from a chemical soup, why is there a tendency to get better at all. Why struggle for survival. Why should machines care at all. Be it a cell or a human. If there was a bad storm or extensive heat, they could have simply could have just gone with the climate. Can you imagine an untellingent sand (if it were) trying to not got washed away by water no matter what?
Ellie: I apologize if I am reiterating the same thing relating to brain. I would again say that brain is just having the capability to do things. It doesn't do. A computer infinitely capable of doing many things doesn't do things by itself. Somebody has to write the programs for it. Programs can be automated presuming a problem. Given a new problem program has to be written again to handle that. Same thing with brain. We learn and keep making things automatic or involuntary

louise d: If you were able to decide that this debate is such a common place you could also have identified the problem in accepting the non existence of god. Accepting it would mean that we just finite beings and have to fight against each other for survival. There should be no place for morals (Ideally. But scientists seem to tweak even these now a days). Is it not a good idea to live our lives having noble motives and believing that we are infinitely capable? Instead scientists (many of them) want us to continously compete against each other, have jealousy against people other than you ( applies race, sex, colour etc etc). Will there be a peace at all? Don't bring some stupid religions as examples to counter. Let scientists bring out best of all religions and let us live with much higher motives. Anybody trying to claim theirs is best needs to be proved stupid in the same way scientists so far have proved certain things as meaningless. No need to introdce fight either.

Answer 1

Atheists deny God.
The religion of atheism is evolution.
It is used as a pseudo-scientific justification of their religious beliefs. Ardent atheist Richard Dawkins openly admits that evolution makes him feel an 'intellectually fulfilled atheist'.

The unscientific and anti-God basis of evolution is also evidenced by prominent atheist Lewontin:
"We take the side of science in spite of the absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."

Evolution is in fact a very poor explanation of the observed evidence.
Check it out for yourself.
http://www.creationontheweb.com

Answer 2

The idea of evolution and a belief in God are not necessarily mutually exclusive. The theory of natural selection is in a wy common sense. Something that is better adapted to the environment that it is in is more likely to survive and breed than an organism that is less well adapted to that environment. The theory of evolution is basically that this sort of adds up and eventually leads to something unlike the original. The question of whether there is some guiding intelligance behind that process or not can be considered almost completely seperately.

You are right there is a tendency for scientists to say that if something can not be measured it does not exist. Actually what they should say is that they can not prove whether it exists or not. Two examples of this being God and human souls but also equally ghosts, ESP etc. There is certainly evidence showing that the brain controls our movements and our thoughts can be seen as chemical reactions in the brain. The question of whether this is the cause of thoughts or a response is open to personal opinion.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with being a scientist and also believing in a higher power

Answer 3

Ah, the old meaning of life question. I dont think all evolutionists deny the possibility of god do they?

Is god a reality or a concept mmm, is he an actual entity or something that resides in the consciousness of beleivers?

Im not sure but you seem to be suggesting that there HAS to be a trigger for our consciousness - why?
Natural selection does happen, the why is what evolutionists scientists philosophers poets writer musicians the average joe down the pub and goodness knows how many other countless people have tried to fathom since the year dot.

Your answer is neither right or wrong, neither is anyone elses for that matter. I dont beleive that we will ever truly comprehend our purpose or even whether we have one.

Why shouldnt it be possible for us to become so advanced without there being a point? The truth may indeed be that we are just here because of a freak meteour storm or even because of god - either way the meaning and reason for it is no nearer to our comprehension

Answer 4

I agree quite a bit with where Ellie started: Creationism and Evolution are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

There is nothing in any of the scriptures of any of the major religions that say that God or Allah, or Buddah, or whomever, didn't have his own DNA manipulation laboratory when he started about getting the earth ready to receive us humans, nor that when the first man and woman, or men and women, were formed that they were formed ONLY from the dust of the earth.

That leaves a LOT of possibilities for anybody with any amount of greater knowhow to go about doing things that we humans are not yet capable of understanding.

The big reason that Darwin had such a tough time when he proposed his idea, is that there were a LOT of pseudo-religious con artists telling people things that were appealing to the people, in order to get people to give them more and more money in the form of donations and they weren't above lying about such things in order to keep the funds coming in.

Of course, Darwin didn't have all of the answers, himself, either. 90% of modern evolutionists have either disproven or vehemently disagree with 90% of what Darwin said in 'The Origin of the Species.' So, it's a matter of all of us learning where we all came from.

If there is a God, then the truth can't hurt him, so why should we let it hurt us? Of course, the difficult thing is being able to recognize the truth, and to accept it for what it is.

Answer 5

natural selection or "survival of the fittest" doesn't refer to what we consciously want. We can't just will something to evolve. The theory of evolution is based on the FACT that not only humans but all living things (including bacteria) adapt to environmental changes so that we may purely and simply put "just stay alive" with the best efficiency possible. When a certain genetic mutation occurs it is either harmful or helpful. For example with the disease sickle cell anemia. People that are homozygous recessive for that disease this recessive gene is obviously harmful. However, the reasont that this disease hasn't been eliminated through NATURAL SELECTION is because in people that are heterozygous "carriers" of this disease this gene has actually been proven to protect these people against malaria. This is how we have evolved AND ARE EVOLVING into organisms who are "the fittest"

Answer 6

There is no such thing as an "evolutionist."

Belief in any deity and belief in evolution are separate concepts. Charles Darwin, who studied Natural Science, which was a part of theology at the time, did not deny any deity.

Indeed, he felt that evolution was the way his god worked.

The anti-evolution movement is a distinct subset of Christianity. The fact that anti-evolution is not part of all Christianity but instead only a fringe element within it demonstrates that it is possible to be religious and believe in evolution, as did Darwin and the past several Popes.

Answer 7

Not all evolutionists deny the existance of God. I am truly convinced that evolution occurs (look up Peter and Rosemary Grant's finch research on Daphne Major of the Galapagos Islands), but I truly believe in God. And I am not an Intelligent Design believer.

Answer 8

Evolutionists deny god because since the Reformation/The Renaissance people have used logical thought and process of evaluation evidence and truth to decide their beliefes rather than blindly following what the church tells them.

As there is no evidence that god is anything but a control measure for the simple-minded why would they admit he/she exists.

It's not wrong for you to dispute their findings at all but it's superstition to be believe a super-being controls evolution, and makes little sense. A super-being wouldhave created us perfect in the first place surely.

Answer 9

Ask a virus if it knows God , viruses have been on the earth billions of years and its only through our constant battle with them that we are the top of the food chain , virus can easily be the prime contender to rule the planet , yet im sure they don't go to church so much for the God creator of man routine, we can be wiped out by a tiny living organism, that can only be seen under a very powerful microscope ,

Answer 10

Things get better only because that is the word we use to describe the organisms which are capable of surviving. It is not better in a moral sense. Nobody can know what thought is, that is the limitation of living inside our own heads, completely bound up by thought.

Answer 11

Not all evolutionists deny God; some Christians and Catholics believe in both God and the natural universe; some even think God was in the middle of the Big Bang!