Conservative Christians: Is the fact of the wall of separation why you can't resolve your confusion .... ?

Question

Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists;

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties"

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Jefferson refused to issue Proclamations of Thanksgiving sent to him by Congress during his administration.

Madison vetoed two bills on the grounds they violated the first amendment.

Madison's original draft of the Bill of Rights had included provisions binding the States, as well as the Federal Government, from an establishment of religion, but the House did not pass them.

"Erecting the 'wall of separation between church and state'...is absolutely essential in a free society." - Thomas Jefferson

"Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess and to observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us." - James Madison

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." - Opening statement of Article XI of The Treaty of Tripoli, approved by President John Adams and ratified unanimously by the Senate.

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson

* "It is certainly very desirable that a pacific disposition should exist among all nations. The most effective way of producing it is by extending the prevalence and influence of the Gospel. Real Christians will abstain from violating the rights of others, and therefore will not provoke war.

Answer 1

Some Evangelicals in Faith and Nation 2006 stated that if their legislative agenda was not met, they felt it was their obligation to overthrow our government. This would suggest that the line you refer to is indeed blurred in the minds of some Americans, and that they are not in agreement with the founding fathers over what this countries' Constitution represents. They would have us all "yield" to their evidence, and if we do not, you can see from the above answers the kind of anger they harbor. Our children are now 38th in the world in math and science because of their efforts to cleanse our schools and society of the wrong opinions. Jefferson was celebrating our rights to have the freedom to believe what ever we want, and trying to show that those who wish to make their religion the law will end up restricting that right for everyone.

Answer 2

I wish it did not rely a pair of candidate's faith, as spelled out in Article 6, even yet it does. look on the flaps revamped Obama's faith those days, Romney's Mormonism and extra returned, JFK's Catholicism. He had to make a speech on it himself. George Washington does not stand a super gamble right now. He became a Congregationalist who left amenities in basic terms until now communion, which he felt to be barbaric cannibalism.

Answer 3

Here is a little food for thought! by James Madison

We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is foundeded.

Answer 4

they don't understand even what we're saying... as the previous posters clearly illustrate...

we don't want teacher led prayer... that's what the prayer in schools thing was all about... you can't stop someone from praying on their own though... and no one is trying...

same with everything else... we don't want you to force your religion on us and you cry "Why do you hate God?"...

you force the issue so much even that groups like the ACLU, I think, have frankly become enraged and tired of your aggressive "all or nothing" stances... and are trying to enforce the other extreme, at this point out of simple spite... due to the fact that so many Christians refuse to do budge any from forcing everyone to hear their views constantly...

Most Christian groups want much more than to just be heard in the public square... that much is clear from their actions and statements...

Answer 5

I could not have said it better than ruth did. Further, if our founding fathers, like Thomas Jefferson, knew how much you are using his writings to attack religion, or should I say Christianity since liberals tend to embrace Islam, he would rip it up and throw the pieces to the wind. And I'm no fan of the Evangelicals or Fundamentalists.

Answer 6

There is no confusion among Conservative Christians regarding the "wall of separation." The failure to grasp the concept lies solely with the left.

Nowhere in the US Constitution is religion kicked out of the public square. It is a fictitious modern creation of the ACLU.

Answer 7

Since when is a letter to a church part of the constitution? There are other letters from other founding fathers that contradict that.

Answer 8

so cracker when i posted quotes you abandoned your other question and went searching for some to support your opinion?

Answer 9

does this appear in the constitution? I don't think it does.

Answer 10

so, do you worship thomas jefferson?