Why all the Michael Jordan haters?

Question

You have these specific MJ haters on here making senseless points. First they'll say MJ had 5 bad seasons without Pippen, but they won't mention that it was MJ's first 3 years(a developing process & MJ's 2nd year he got hurt & had a late season return) & his last 2 years as a Wizard( he was 38-40, past his prime & hurt). They also will forget to mention that MJ lost 3 years WITH Pippen(it took him 7 years to win it). When MJ first came to the NBA he was just a inside scorer, as the years went by certain parts of his game had developed. He became a better outside shooter, started playing better defense, and learned to trust his teammates. Hey some people develop faster then others do, and it doesn't make MJ any less of a player because it took him a few years to develop his game. When MJ was at his peak(the 90's), he proved to be the greatest of all time! .... Anyways, they'll try to bring up the 95 season against him too. MJ only played the LAST 17 games( a late season return)!

To use MJ's developing years, years that he was hurt, seasons he came back late & the years that he was to old against him is just plane out HATING! Only a hater would spend that amout of energy to try to tear down someone who LED his team to 6 titles, got 6 Finals Mvps, and led his team to the best record in history(72-10).......MJ was the Bulls. POINT BLANK!

Maenerd,
thanks for the advice about MJ, but I never said Lerbon, Kobe & D-Wade was the greatest. To me Kobe sucks, Lebron is nothing but hype, and Wade is on his way.

Tweety,
go back to the other question I asked about if MJ didn't have Pippen could he have won? I have some more things you need to read to shut you up!. Anyways,MJ made the playoffs his first 3 seasons(& that's all that matters!). .....And again, Larry didn't win a titles his first year either, & it does makes a difference on how a player develops. When you first join the NBA you're not at your peak...Anyways, go back to the other question. MJ's the greatest of all time!

and Tsek,
you don't make any sense either. MJ played against alot better big men in his era. These big guys are weak! Check out MJ's list of big men.

Patrick Ewing
Hakeem the Dream
Shaq O'neal ( younger then he is now )
David Robinson
Parsih & McHale
Tim Duncan ( Wizards & Bulls )
KG ( Wizards & Bulls )
Dirk ( Wizards & Bulls )
Zo Mourning ( younger then he is now )
Kareem
Mose Malone
Yoa Ming ( Wizards )
Rick Smits ( can shoot from outside )
Sam Perkins ( san shoot from outside )
Mutumbo ( great defense & younger )
& etc. I can go on but I'm not. Plus MJ played in a era when you can hand check.
...and the league aloud a certain defense to be applied to MJ only( The Jordan Rules ). That defense allowed players to close line, tackle, bridge, trip, hold, and smack MJ all on top of his head. If Kobe had that happen to him, he'll score ZERO points, and cry like he did when Bell barely touched him!

Tweety,
go back and look at my question from yesturday. The question was, Could MJ have won without Pippen? Because I have something on there that you haven't read yet!..and believe me, it's going to shut your mouth!...and Hoopfan, don't act like you don't know what the Jordan Rules was about! The Pistons & the Knicks tried to injure MJ!

Hey Tweety,
you need to go another question of mine,
the question is, Who led the Bulls better when they were without the other, MJ or Pippen? Go read that post & answer that!.....and didn't Pippen miss the playoffs in 2004 with the Bulls? Yeah, that's a checkmate, because MJ with the Bulls made the playoffs every year, SUCKA!

Answer 1

They do it for the attention!

Answer 2

First off, let me state for the record, that I don't HATE Michael Jordan. I'm just tired of hearing people on here saying that he was the greatest of all time. And then, when I ( or Tweety ) bring up proof that he wasn't, all we get are stupid excuses ( he was developing, he was hurt, he was rusty, etc....).

Jordan DID have 5 LOSING seasons without Pippen. That is a historical fact. OK, you say his first year he was developing. Well then, so were Magic Johnson and Bill Russell, and they both won a title their first year.

His second year, yes, he broke his foot and missed most of the season. But he returned in time for the playoffs, and was swept by the Celtics.

So what about his third year? He led the Bulls to another LOSING record, and got swept again in the first round. Was he still developing? Or was he rusty?

His fourth year, the Bulls get Pippen and Horace Grant and post a winning record. They also went another round in the playoffs.

His fifth year, they add Bill Cartwright and Craig Hodges, and make it to the eastern conference finals, despite a 5th place finish.

His sixth year, they add BJ Armstrong and hire Phil Jackson and lose to the Pistons in 7 games in the Eastern Conf. Finals.

Then, the Bulls win 3 titles in a row. Jordan retires for the first time, is replaced with a CBA player (who's highest ppg average was 5 ), and the Bulls only drop 2 games. Why is that, James? You lose a guy who averages over 30 ppg, and replace him with a player who never averaged more than 5 ppg, and you only drop TWO GAMES?!? So then, how is he the greatest of all time?

The 94 Bulls also made it to the 2nd round, losing to the Knicks in 7 games. Everyone said that if Jordan returned, they'd win another title. So he comes back the next year, and they LOSE in SIX GAMES to Orlando! I know, he was "rusty" Just another lame excuse, but that's Jordan's legacy.

The problem was that the Bulls had no inside presence.They were a perimiter team, and that was exposed by Shaq. So they get Rodman, and win 3 more in a row. You try to say Jordan was the reason they won 72 games. Well then, why didn't they win 72 games in 1991,92, or 93??

And you have the nerve to insult "Tsek"? She knows more about basketball than you do, obviously.

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OMG......smack, tackle, trip Jordan???

If you even looked at Jordan the wrong way that was grounds for suspension.

Answer 3

MJ was the most dominate player of his time. BUT he had all the pieces around him to win the championships. Great rebounding (horace grant, rodman), great defense (harper, pippen), great 3 pt shooting (hodges, paxson, kerr, kukoc) and a great coach! If you replace MJ with Magic, Kobe and maybe D Wade or Lebron, they win the same amount of championships.
To add: Kobe is the most complete player we have ever seen!! He is doing things MJ did against players far superior. We have 7 footers that shoot 3's and run the point!
Can't compare players from different eras.

Answer 4

Have you even seen MJ play? He was defended by five players at a time strategically on the floor and he can still score or pass off to an open team mate. Whenever he touch the ball five players focus on him. Just watch the Bulls vs. Knicks games when MJ was playing while Pat Riley coached NY.

Answer 5

I think most of the haters today are too young to have seen what MJ did for the league and to the game. They've been spoonfed all the superstars of today, who are overpaid and overhyped by the media to look larger than life because the NBA is a business. MJ had alot of hype and was well paid, but he deserved all of it and more! There are stars and superstars. He was a megastar, who clearly stood out above other superstars with his game and persona. He has the resume to back him up and accomplished everything possible in the NBA. The folks who say he needed Pippen or any other to be who he was are kidding themselves. I've watched bball through the 80s and 90s, when players who truly knew how to play roamed the NBA courts. It's all a matter of opinion, but lets not kid ourselves. He was one of the, if not the only, all time greats.

oh please, if Pippen wasn't on his team when he was winning all those championships, it would be some other sidekick you would name from MJ's bulls just so you couldn't give him credit. Of course not one man is going to win Championships by himself, it's a team game, but it's how the induvidual functions within the team, makes his teammates better, and how his team does that they should be measured. Those that know basketball and know the game can clearly see the majority of players of today are nowhere near as skilled as the players of the last millenium. That's why the rest of the world has caught up with us after decades, with skilled play. Comparing Bird's success, who had at least 2 other hall of famers during his rookie year, to MJ is unfair. Comparing Horry to MJ and putting him in the same boat tells me where you are coming from; Horry riding coat-tails to championships, MJ wearing the coats.

hah I respect your knowledge and refernce of the game tweets, but If you bring those points about Bird you have to figure in a guy like David Robinson and what he did to the Spurs in his rookie year, which was the biggest turnaround in NBA history playing with the likes of Sean Elliott, Terry Cummings, and Rod Strickland; far from Hall of fame status. I'm too tired to look things up. Apparently I'm not as obsessed as you to dig up specific facts such as how many games each person with Bird played(though good points). Michael was one of the tops all-time in my opinion for many reasons. That's why he is arguably the greatest.

Answer 6

I don't care what anyone says MJ is one of the all-time best players ever. I say one of the best and not the best ever because it would be hard to compare eras. I mean Bill Russell and his time darn near ran the NBA for 11 straight seasons. Wilt was a man among men. Kareem did his thing. Magic was great. Jerry West was great. Bob Cousy was great. So I say he's one of the best ever.

Answer 7

Midnight, you almost got it right.

And watching basketball since "the 80s" doesn't mean you've seen every player ever to come down the pike. Not even close. In fact that would mean that you never saw 25 of the top 50 players of all time (as selected in 1996). And I understand that's not your fault, but you really have not "seen them all."

Yes, there's been a lot of spoonfeeding, but Jordan was the one being spoonfed.

The fact is, Jordan NEVER had a winning season without Pippen as a teammate. No amount of "but it was a young team" or "he was old" comments will EVER change that.

Bird was drafted by a team that won 29 games... they won 61 in his rookie year.

So tell me, what other all time greats never had a winning season without another top-50 player to help them out? Name one.

Yeah, I didn't think you could, either.

Jordan is one of the 7 or 8 greatest players of all time, but he's not THE greatest.

Oh yeah, and six rings isn't a record. Just ask Robert Horry...he's got six rings as well.
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Bird won a title in his second year, after taking what was a 29 win team the year before he got there to the East finals as a rookie.

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Show me ONE VIDEO of ANY player clotheslining, tackling, tripping, or smacking MJ on top of his head. One video... who was the player who got away with this? NEVER HAPPENED. Yeah, the Pistons clotheslined Pippen during their series (Rodman), but NO ONE EVER TOUCHED MICHAEL. Show me the Video!

If you think that players were "allowed" to do these things to Micahel, that PROVES you've never seen him play in your life.

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btw, Tsek is indeed kicking your a** in terms of basketball knowledge... I'm guessing she's actually watched a few games, unlike the person who asked this question!

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Midnight Sky, The "Hall of Famers" Bird played with as a rookie (won 61 games) were:

Tiny Archibald (played 80 games)
Dave Cowens (played 66 games)
Pete Maravich (played 26 games)


The "Hall of Famers on the '79 Celtics (the year before Bird got there), a team that won 29 games:

Tiny Archibald (played 69 games)
Dave Cowens (played 68 games)
Bob McAdoo (played 20 games)


Same guys,except you change one 20 game player with another.

Bird was the difference between 29 wins and 61.

btw, you guys most likely don't know who any of these Hall of Famers are, but you can look them up at basketball-reference.com. Just thought I'd pass that along.

But that was an excellent try, though. Too bad you're so obsessed with making excuses for Michael.
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btw, about Michael's being hurt in 86...

Wilt Chamberlain tore up his knee in 1970, and only played 12 games all season. He came back for the playoffs, and took the Lakers to game 7 of the finals. And there wasn't anything like the medical technology in 1970 that there would be 15 years later with Michael... Wilt acted as a guinea pig in those surgeries, because they'd never been done before... still, he came back and led them to the finals.

I don't know why Jordan only got the Bulls to the first round in 86 after he came back from injury...oh wait, I remember now... it's because PIPPEN WASN'T THERE YET! LOL

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I looked at the "could jordan have won without pippen" question. What you said means nothing. Plus, I was not the first person to say the Bulls would not have won 70 games in the 1980s.... it was DENNIS RODMAN who said that.

And not matter how you slice it, the Bulls were a better team when they had just Pippen than when they had just Jordan. When they had both of them, they were very good... but the Pippen-led teams were better than the Jordan teams without Pippen, simply because they were a winning team with Pippen, but a losing team with just Jordan. What's so difficult to understand about that?

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I've said many times that Scottie Pippen's ONLY losing season was his last, in which he only played 23 games. The Bulls won 23 games that year, and Pippen played just 23 games before retiring. They actually won all the games in which Pippen played LOL j/k

Jordan played on FIVE losing (under .500) teams. That's a fact. I never said Michael had five bad seasons. I said he played on five losing teams, which is a FACT.

And, if you've ever watched sports, which I doubt, you would know that a "winning" season is a season in which a team plays over .500 ball, meaning that they win more than they lose. That's different than a "championship" season. A winning season is one thing, a championship season is another.

Q: Jordan's playoff record without Pippen is ONE win and NINE loses...is that a WINNING record, or a LOSING record?
A. It's a LOSING record. Jordan only won 10% of his playoff games without Pippen. That is less than 50%. Therefore, it's a LOSING record.
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Midnight - the reason I listed the games that the HOFers played is to show that they were full time members of the Celtics (except Maravich and McAdoo), but that they STILL won only 29 games, despite the hall of famers.

Also, I NEVER said that the Bird's rookie Celtics was the biggest turnaround in NBA history. I knew it wasn't. But I kept hearing that Bird's turnaround rookie year was due to him playing with Hall of Famers, and I merely pointed out that the same Hall of Famers won 29 games the year before Bird got there

(I listed the games played to show that the HOFers didn't sit the season out with injuries or anything like that...they were full time players).

sorry if you're "too tired" too look things up...it's not hard to do, basketball-reference.com is a great site for this kind of stuff... having a high speed internet connection helps as well. Besides, "looking things up" usually just confirms what I already knew anyway.

Also, looking things up is a great way to do research. LOL

Beats the hell out of parroting "Michael Jordan's the best ever because he won 6 rings".

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and jd - check out the "Jordan Rules" wikipedia link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Rules

No mention there of clotheslining, tackling, tripping, holding, or smacking MJ on top of his head. Where are you getting THAT from?

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Asaph23 has exactly the right attitude about this subject.

Answer 8

confident, anybody different then bulls/jordan followers hated Jordan. i replaced right into a hater too. calling him ballhog, retard (he stick his tongue out too plenty) and different stuff. reason replaced into he replaced into killing my lakers in the process the ninety's yet after he retires I learn how to appreciate his interest and ignored him.

Answer 9

I used to like him, but he retired and came back to much to the point he only gave me displeasure....he began to irritate me..."for me" it deluded all that I considered "great" about him...he sucked when he returned and I hated seeing that....aside from this there was the disappointment of his lifestyle off the court. Adulterer, obsessive gabling (to the point it may have caused his father's demise)..he's never owned up to any of these things-never addressed other displeased fans such as myself...I believe he owed that to us & I never got it! So he is from now on "DEVIL MONSTER" to me. and if you agree you should call him that as well.

Answer 10

You don't need to justify the fact that Michael was the greatest man ever to play the game. You know that, and I know that. Screw the haters.

Hey you said Lebron, Kobe and Dwayne Wade are the greatest as well, and they are good, but you left out Dirk and Nash.

Answer 11

Greatest Basketball player of all-time. Lebron, Kobe, a DWade couldn't lift his jock