How to identify a 9/11 cover-up artist!!!?

Question

If they deny the facts that are laid before them, if they call you nuts or a conspiracy theorist, if they threaten you with verbal or physical violence. So the important thing to do is find out who is denying these facts and put them all in 1 group, the INSIDERS!!! GO USA WE WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH!!!!!

------Ok so list these so called "facts".

I have yet to hear anything but theory, show me some verifiable facts and I will will give them the thought that they deserve.----------

Fact # 1 The BBC and CNN reported that building 7 fell minutes before it actually did. Prooved by a time stamp.

Fact # 2 Thermite explosive residue found at WTC and the pentagon

Fact # 3 The building in Madrid Spain that burned for over 24 hours without collapsing.

Fact # 4 Controlled demolision

OK.....people are bored with it? Lets just forget the whole thing ever happened! Also 67% of the American public believe the government was involved in a cover-up. If there was just the slightest clue of any kind of wrong doing, wouldn't you want to know more? I would. And if you don't want to know, then you obviously don't care enough, and if you do care then your in on it!! GO USA!!!

Answer 1

LeAnne, what type of engineer are you anyways?

Facts:
Professor (recently retired) Steven Jones of BYU has had samples of steel from the WTC site tested and has found traces of thermite. Also, the pools of metal found at the base of the towers that took weeks to cool down (could not be the result of jet fuel).

The amount of time the buildings were able to remain standing is very important. By the time that the buildings did collapse, much of the jet fuel had already burned off; thus, it was much cooler in the building than at initial impact. A test conducted by UL (at the request of the NIST), using trusses similar to those in the Twin Towers, to determine if the fire endurance of the trusses. The trusses sustained maximum design load for two hours without collapsing.

Angle cuts seen in steel columns (consistent with a controlled demolition, not a collapse).

All three buildings fell in the path of greatest resistance (straight down), as oppose to a large portion falling to the side. The south tower started to topple over on a side, but "magically" managed to correct itself and fall straight down. It should not have corrected itself.

Eyewitness accounts of flashes and loud explosions at the site.

The early collapse of the north tower's antenna.

How do you identify a cover-up artist?
Those who are funded/ supported by the government (NIST)
Those who have the most to lose (Bush, neo-cons, Mayor Rudy, ect.).
Emotional people who don't know much about engineering or physics.
Popular Mechanics (for relying on the NIST).
Mainstream press (they would lose their exclusive government sources for leaks).

ADDED NOTE:
I used only Steven Jones' work, not any of the other "Truthers'" work. The collapse of the towers is about ENGINEERING, not politics. This isn't about Kennedy or aliens, despite LeAnne's opinion. Granted this question is in the politics section of Answers.

Most engineers don't have the time to put forth a reasonable investigation into what happened. (Politics or perceived consequences have prevented engineers from speaking out. Remember, universities want Federal funding for research projects. It doesn't help the school if some of the engineers are questioning the validity of the government's explanation of 9/11.)

Even when they do, it isn't the most thorough. An example of this was the ASCE report of the collapse. In testimony to congress in May 2002, Dr. W. Gene Corley stated that "(w)ith the information and time available, the sequence of events leading to the collapse of each tower could not be definitively determined."

Remember, all three towers fell from top to bottom, essentially crumbling downward. What damage did the columns, take that were above the impact sites, for it to crumble like that? It you state that it was the thorough damage that occurred at the impact site, then why didn't the top portion fall in one large chunk? For it to have fallen straight down as it did, there must have been equal destruction of all the different columns. Otherwise it would have tipped over (like chopping down a tree).

As stated in the ASCE report, much of the jet fuel was burned off right way at impact. This can be verified by the large fireballs that was seen when the planes impacted the second building. So, how could the fires have gotten hot enough to melt the steel that was seen in the wreckage. What additional fuel source was located at that site that resulted in the heat necessary to weaken the structure enough for it to fail? Office equipment & drywall is not going to create the substancial heat needed. Again how come there were pools of metal that took weeks to cool? The fires were dying down before the towers fell. This would have allowed the steel to regain some of the strength it may have lost due to heat damage.

The NIST is still a government organization, just like the Army Corp of Engineers, who have now successfully flooded New Orleans twice (purposely in 1927 and through inferior levy design in 2005). It will be three times if New Orleans is hit with a category 5 hurricane (levys built only to level 4).

Answer 2

As an engineer, I learned a long time ago to get my facts from reputable national publications and scientific venues and from my own personal observations - NOT from op-blogs, web sites and fictional movies.
Where do you get your "facts?"
Remember, if you truly seek the truth, it will be based entirely on unbiased, valid and verifiable facts - NOT on unreliable sources, oversimplified conclusions, out of context quotes or cherry picked information.

ADDED NOTE: Really want the truth? Do some serious research on these people. Do not dismiss the nonpartesan government's report or the 10,000 page report on the tower's collapse by The National Institute of Standards and Technology so lightly - these are reviewed and read by litterally hundreds, if not thousands, of engineers, physics professors and other professionals in all different scientific fields - and yet only a handful of whacked out, publicity seekers have jumped on the band wagon. Are the rest of them "in on it?"

James Fetzer, co-founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Jon Moseley, founder of Truth
David Shayler, anti-war actiuvist and member of 9/11 Truth movement, former British CI officer
Steven Jones, former BYU professor, co-chair Truth

Among this prestigeous group, you'll find quotes that "no planes were involved in 9/11 (they) were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes." This statement was later dismissed and replaced by "the planes that hit the towers." You'll find one that a former prosecutor, Thomas Bieter, has aledged to have commited criminal defamation in his latest attempt to suggest a government cover up in the tragic plane crash that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone. You'll find far left wing theorists dating all the way back to the Kennedy assination. There's no shortage of conspiracy theories in this group.


Ever wonder why, despite his credentials, none of Steven Jone's 9/11 articles have appeared in any scientific venue that can be reviewed by his peers? Or why even his fellow engineers and collegues at BYU have dismissed his allegations? And, most importantly, just how many individuals do you think are involved in this "cover up?"
Come on, people, valid and verifiable facts that would indicate what these moon bats are alleging wouldn't appear on their web sites and blogs - any more than all of the aliens hiding in Area 51.

Answer 3

How to identify a 9/11 "truther"?

Look for people who do not understand real physics. Look for the people that have made Alex Jones a millionaire. Look for the people who were not in NYC on 9/11. Look for people who misrepresent quotes, or take them entirely out-of-context. Look for people who doctor photos. Look for people who think Jews, Bush, Illuminati, etc. are evil. Look for people who do not grasp the concept of the meaning of the word "truth".

This will nab you about all of them.

Answer 4

Ok so list these so called "facts".

I have yet to hear anything but theory, show me some verifiable facts and I will will give them the thought that they deserve.

Answer 5

It was the Jews! They also eat babies, poison well, eat the Catholics host, and control the world!

I am being sarcastic. These anti-Semite conspiracy theorists are worse then the French!

Eretz Yisrael!

Answer 6

You're insane, man. Give it a rest and come back to reality. Step down from your hallucinated soap box and stop ranting like a lunatic. People are bored with it.

Answer 7

Your question was spammed by the propagandist right here, should be proof enough bud.

Answer 8

If you're an example of an"INSIDER" I'll pass.

It could just be that the tin foil in your helmet needs re-filling.

Actual facts:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y

Answer 9

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Same ol' argument. One can take any information and make it "fact". I can find lots of proof that Elvis is still alive, there is life on Mars, and UFO's do exist.

Problem is that you aren't going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours. You get a confession, we'll talk.

Answer 10

Yeah and Elvis is alive and well and living in my garage. Roll another fattie and live in your alternate reality, potsy!