Could having a constructed identity of self..?

Question

..based on what another person believes to be societal’s ideals, by imprinting onto an unwilling person..

..enable one to lead to a normal life; or
..live the life of the other person’s contruct; or
..live someone else’s life based on personal stimuli.


Imprinted as in using overbearing methods to forged a person's psyche, character and outlook on life, into something other that that which would have naturally occurred. i.e. a heavily controlled or supervised environment.

ABRIDGED
Rizol.. – An identity is forged throughout the formative years..an adult have already developed so much..can only learn new things..To be able..break them physically, psychologically and emotionally..without guarantee it would work.
“You have to be pretty messed up to do this to another person in the first place.”
:: Survival necessitates either side loosing their core identity. Take heart, the subject matter undertaken is not onto another person and adheres to n.i.m.b.y.

JanS.. –
“..for 50 years I was one of the "controlled" persons without knowing it.
..the greatest problem was that I was fighting myself; fighting to let the real me emerge from (what doctors call) my "false self."..it can be, and often is done on the most unsuspecting of people. But it ain't right.”
:: Your narration speaks for itself. Amongst all the detritus received to date, thank you very much, Sir/Ms, for sharing and empathising.

:: These are live cases, see JanS.. below, and a computer simulation.

Mince.. – “Societys ideals are imprinted genetically as the archetype for the super ego..genetically strong archetypes and at other times, authority figures..make it difficult for the person to forge a super ego complex that can make them feel worthy.”
:: How true, and then some.

Shado.. – “..look at the out look of the ghetto in the second world war..”
:: Some societies and families have not evolved out of that state.

Flyin.. –
Age, mental condition and level of understanding and human behaviour.
A matter of survival based on understanding despite unwillingness onto this other person's dominant or powerful control..able to follow preset motives well, people are changed by circumstances. Overbearing methods are an experience in themselves.
:: As do some of the others above, clarity of the human condition has not eluded you.

purpl.. – “It has brought me to realise on reading Jan Stolz , and Rizoles answers..as a mother must adjust..that my youngster may have his opinions, and a difference of opinion without being overbearing..We all wish for our children to grow up to be a good citizen..we have to advise them that they are on the wrong track..suppression of the self is the altered ego.”

:: If this question has truly brought one person or a family out of certain predicament that has potential long term consequences such as deep rooted bitterness, then this Yahoo Q/A account may close on account of the knowledge of the edification made, regardless the size of its audience.

It will take hard work, gleaning knowledge from the right books, sustained conscious changing mindsets, positive outlook, asking and throwing into the light, all manner of difficult cultural and wordly bias.

Finally, being able to let go of the child for the right reasons, knowing he goes forth into the world best equipped regardless the circumstances that in the form failure or success, as learning stepping stones the way ahead.

“I am so glad that you asked this question..”
:: Thank you very much for the compliment.

Being a disturbing issue, it is emotionally draining and not easily brought up under the circumstances.

One is heartened that there should be those whose interest lie in the long route to bringing up their children the best way possible by first looking at deep seated issues.

Answer 1

I am so glad that you asked this question, it has really made me think about things, as have some of your other mind searching questions.

It has brought me to realise on reading Jan Stolz , and Rizoles answers that I as a mother must adjust my ways, in order that my last youngster may have his opinions, and a difference of opinion without me being too overbearing. We all wish for our children to grow up to be a good citizen, but there is a point sometimes when arguments will ensue, and we have to advise them that they are on the wrong track.

Yes I think you are quite correct that peoples identities of self are dictated by their parents, teachers, and by how they are treated and spoken too by society in general.

The suppression of the self is the altered ego.

Answer 2

But this is what parents do. A baby is maybe born with some personality traits in place but the way that a parent brings up a child forges how that personality is expressed and hence their psyche, character and outlook on life.

That's what is supposed to happen. Ideally parents make a good job of it and the child grows up healthy. Unfortunately some parents don't have the skill or knowledge to be able to to this well and the results can be a badly adjusted person.

It's a lot harder, if not nearly impossible to do this with an adult because they have already developed so much and no matter what you do to them they can not unlearn what they have already learnt, only learn new things. To be able to do this you have to break them physically, psychologically and emotionally and there is no guarantee it would work.

Why you might want to do this is beyond me. You have to be pretty messed up to do this to another person in the first place.

Answer 3

I can answer this question because for 50 years I was one of the "controlled" persons without even knowing it.
I had a very domenearing mother; I'm not a momma's boy by any means, but was in the perfect emotional state for her to enforce her ideals over mine at age 14 when everything started.
My life was hell after age 20 or so; I was constantly angry; frustrated and depressed without even knowing why.
I went from one dead-end job to another, usually getting fired after only a few months. In my life I have been employed with over two dozen different companies.
I now realize the greatest problem was that I was fighting myself; fighting to let the real me emerge from (what doctors call) my "false self." This is the identity that has been forced upon you by another.
I emerged from this psyologacal mind bending at age 50 in a dramatic awakening, having never seen or talked to a shrink in my entire life.
At age 53 I am where most men are at age 23. I was "brainwashed" in the worse way and am greatful that I was allowed to emerge from it.
Yes, it can be, and often is done on the most unsuspecting of people. But it ain't right.

Answer 4

It depends upon what age the person is and their mental condition as well as the level of understanding that they possess with regards to human relationships and human behaviour. If you are unwilling but understand the need to follow this other person's construct based upon the need to survive as doing so would mean adhering to this other person's dominant or powerful control whilst you yourself are less powerful, then yes, if you don't understand the situation but can follow preset motives well then you are changed somewhat, people are changed by circumstances, because the overbearing methods are an experience in themselves

Answer 5

Societys ideals are imprinted genetically as the archetype for the super ego. They are actualised by parents and other authority figures. Sometimes people have genetically strong archetypes and other times authority figures are too punishing and make it difficult for the person to forge a super ego complex that can make them feel worthy.

Answer 6

Sir are you thinking of building an android. Let me know how that turns out. Catholic Religion & Psychiatrists do the following = imprinting onto an unwilling person.
People grudgingly live that what they do all the time none of the above. Sorry sir but...They grudgingly live despite all this they live their own life waiting desperately to escape. They escape when the moments right.

Answer 7

yes. look at the out look of the ghetto in the 2Nd world war. society I'm sorry to moulds easily to what ever is easy t
o them.