Are good law abiding, hard working people penalized whilst those who contribute little are rewarded?

Question

Ok so we go to work, pay our taxes and national insurance. Our taxes pay for other people to not have to go to work at all, they pay for their dental care ( uk) they get free college courses if they are on benifits, free housing, free this -that and the other... i pay my national insurance and because I have a job i also have to pay for my own dentist bills.
I understand we need to pay tax other wise there would be a huge rise in crime...but i think they get too much and we get nothing. I don't take anything from the government but i get no reward for doing so, any savings i have when I die will be highly taxed, why should they be when i already payed tax on it? I should be able to leave it to who ever i want tax free.
It just annoys me- what do you think is a better solution to it all?
I think there are a lot of people who could work and should be forced to and the money can be used to better support those who desperately need it.
what do you think?

I do realise there are genuine case for people to need help and benifits and in those cases i happily pay my tax but not to those who see living off the government as a life style choice. I just want the government to recognise us and not just see us as a wallet!

Answer 1

You have just defined the difference between the Tories and Labour parties. Labour Governments (like this one) like big government, bloated public sector, increase the number on state handouts, guess what, taxes go up to pay for it. Who pays for it, you do. They are cleverly buying votes, and It also creates social problems, because people become feckless, wont take responsibility for themselves, and thereby, become increasingly dependant on the state. Labour like that. They then churn out the politics of envy, and pray on peoples natural prejudices against those that have gone out and had a measure of success.

The Tories, of course, assuming they have time to sort out the Labour mess, try to achieve the opposite, try to make people self reliant, and minimise government.

There is one thing that you can't do, however, is fight blind prejudice. There will be those that will vote this lot back into power.

'Mojo' what the asker is saying, is that she has a job, pays taxes, and is only receiving those benifits that she has already paid for, as against, those people who don't have a job, don't pay taxes, but receive all the same benefits (that they haven't paid for) as well as a nice state hand out, which is an additional benefit paid for by the asker. Being smart and intellectually disingenuous, doesn't cut the mustard.

Answer 2

I think the following situation would be an ideal solution:-
Every British born and bred working citizen becomes armed, receives military training and overthrows the government.
Dead-legs and scroungers who turn up at the jobcentre once a week with their hand out are told in no uncertain terms that the gravy train has now left. Permanently. Anyone who doesnt have a job now has a job created for them in state industries. Anyone who refuses a job gets nothing. People who are disabled will still receive incapacity benefit, OAP's still get pensions but that is all.
Instead of holiday camps with higher walls, prisons become centers of punishment. Standard prison meals return to porridge, bread, mashed potatoes and water to drink. Cpaital and corporal punishment are re-introduced.
Human rights of victims are placed on a pedestal far above those of the criminal.
Immigration is permanently banned. Armed border patrols guard the coastline and all air and sea ports with orders to shoot on sight anybody attempting to enter the country illegally. The channel tunnel is dynamited.
Antisocial behaviour is punished by an automatic five years in a labour camp. Chain gangs are reintroduced for public projects. All foreign criminals, immigrants and asylum seekers are immediately deported. Members of parliament and any other government servant are prevented from earning more than £20,000 a year to greatly reduce income disparity between the people.
With the money saved from the cutbacks on prison spending and welfare payments for immigrants and deadlegged scroungers, we could probably cut taxes or provide free dental treatment, prescriptions etc, put a lot more police on the streets, vastly improve the NHS service etc etc

And regarding the comments from Mojo, I would use the NHS but they have had me on the waiting list to see a combat PTSD counsellor for 18 months now but the local surgery have a sign offering free mental health services for members of the afro-caribbean community. I ended up paying. I dont drive on the roads (Cant afford a car despite working full time, yet all the unemployed immigrants around here who always claim poverty all seem to have cars, wonder why?), I dont expect the support of the police as lots of past experience has shown me they are worse than useless and the justice system isnt a justice system, and while I did go to school, my parents had to pay for it as all the local schools were full (Mostly with the children of immigrants)

Answer 3

Of course we are penalised. We make easy targets. Use the words hard working, tax paying and law abiding and it should tell you something of the character of the people you are dealing with. Use the words Labour Politician and experience should tell you the character of the people you are dealing with.Use the word Politician in general and i'm sure you get my drift. What is needed is for the former to stand up to the latter for a change and remind the hypocritical scum EXACTLY who is paying their over inflated salaries and by the way Mojo, yes i used all those facilities cos i bloody well paid for them!

Answer 4

Oh yes you do get a reward. Your reward comes every time you look in the mirror!! Look yourself strait in the eyes, and your looking at someone who is not a "FREELOADER"

I worked all my life as a self employed builder, and although I suffer bad with arthritis etc, and am on very strong pain killers, at 66 years old I replaced our roof in the heat of last summer. I lost nearly a stone but the respect from my neighbours and others living nearby was really nice. (nearly killed me though)

It's also real nice to know that although we haven't got much, a 12 year old car and so on, I never ripped off any customers and I don't owe more than this months credit card.
I also feel grieved when I managed to buy a small private pension of £48.00 a month, and I am taxed £10. a month by this crap government, which help to pay for MP's perks and lowlife that sit on their arSes all day, so you see I'm as peed off as you are.

Answer 5

I think there is a legitimate case to be made that the number of long-term unemployed who could be in work is too high, and that the current benefit system offers disincentives for some of these people to find work.
However the principles of universal free healthcare and state support for those in genuine need are one of the best things to emerge from the utter madness of the last century. It is thanks to these principles that we no longer have children starving in the streets and poor people dying young of curable diseases.

Answer 6

I am afraid you are right regarding those fit and healthy people collecting benefits.There is nothing fair in the world we live in today
The government is finding it difficult to justify or imply a better ways of giving out hand-out because too many people come up with fabricated stories,so therefore you don't know who to believe.

Answer 7

I agree , i work to support my family and get really annoyed when i see ppl abusing the system ... i have said it b4 and i shall say it again , IMO i think its all down to the chav culture ... they drop baby chavs like theres no 2mrw.. claim all the benefits going and can afford to drink booze every day , smoke weed everyday and generally make everyone elses lives hell ... Don't get me wrong if its a genuine case i don't care i have been in need of benefits in my time .. its the ones who think they have a god given right to claim everything and then moan at how little they get !!
Soooo annoys me !

Answer 8

Is this question based on statistical evidence or simple prejudice?

When you say you don't take anything from the Government I presume you don't use the NHS, don't drive on the roads, don't expect the support of the Police, don't have your bins emptied, didn't go to school.......

Answer 9

Yes. The socialist agenda is to punish achievement with higher taxes rates.

Answer 10

As a liberal democrat I agree
the welfare program is corrupt and those convicted of welfare fraud should do hard time, as they are taking food and money out of the mouths of the real needy ones

Clinton was the only politician that really did something about this