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2007-02-22 08:18:16 · 17 answers · asked by Anonymous in Entertainment & Music Polls & Surveys

To challenge the legal minds on P&S
First to get it right gets the points.

2007-02-22 08:19:15 · update #1

17 answers

One is against the law, the other is a sick bird.

2007-02-22 08:21:50 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Unlawful / Illegal
In the Times Online law section (every Tuesday, subscription should be free - it was when I joined), one column is called 'Your Shout'. Here, people from the College of Law, the solicitors' college for training for exams, answer questions. Now I have been to the College of Law twice, six months at Chester and six at Lancaster Gate - this was in the old days when the courses were shorter - and there were some good people there. But their understanding of etymology seems a bit weak!

(Actually, if you go to the law section and click on the Your Shout title in the left-hand margin, you do get a list of all the old ones, but November 11th is not up there yet).

On November 11th (I haven't got the link but it will be in the archive, which costs money to use), someone asked what the difference is between unlawful and illegal. The answer, quite correct, was that they mean the same thing. The writer went on to say, however, that this was a case of two interchangeable words, resulting from the fact that before 1731, French was the language of the law. Later, the old French terms were used alongside the English. Unlawful is an English word, whereas illegal is a French one.

Many legal documents, particularly old deeds, wills and trusts, retain the habit of doubling up terminology in phrases such as “beneficial and equitable” ownership, “goods and chattels” and “give and devise”. In each case the first word derives from English, the second from French, but they mean the same thing.

Just a minute - these examples are doublets. Who says 'unlawful and illegal', and where is the Anglo-Saxon? Law looks like French loi to me, and legal looks Latin. I also have grave doubts about 'beneficial and equitable' as representing 'English' (do they mean Anglo-Saxon?) and French.

There are many doublets in legal usage, and they aren't all combinations of synonyms. Some of them actually mean two different things. And 'unlawful and illegal' is not one of them. As long-term German Internet users might write,

This column is always happy to “translate” any incomprehensible terminology that readers find in their legal documents.

Yes, well…Any suggestions? This could be fun.

The letters column this week continued the amusement. There was one suggestion that illegal means criminal and unlawful means contrary to civil law or administrative regulation. I understand the feeling, but I don't think there is a difference. However, the distribution of the terms is probably different. Another letter I didn't understand:

When reading law desultorily (and ultimately unsuccessfully) at Cambridge in the late Sixties, I was taught that “unlawful” means “unsanctioned by law” and would apply to adultery, for example, so that not everything unlawful is “illegal” in its dictionary sense of “against the law”, that is, an offence.

There seems to be a feeling that unlawful is a bit weaker than illegal. I am not going to get to the bottom of these terms now, but let me give one example. In English contract law, one of the topics is contracts that are 'illegal', either by statute or at common law. These are a very disparate bunch. There are contracts to commit a crime, which are criminal themselves. Then there are contracts in restraint of trade (wettbewerbsbeschränkende Absprache), which may be illegal because they are against public policy, but some of which are absolutely legal.

It may well be that I would use the word unlawful in less serious cases and illegal in more serious ones, but they are indeed synonyms, I think.

Garner, in A Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage, says illegal, illicit and unlawful are fundamentally synonymous, although illicit has moral overtones.

Illegal is not synonymous with criminal, although some writers mistakenly assume that it is. (See undocumented alien.) Anything against the law - even the civil law - is, technically speaking, 'illegal.' See illegal contract, nonlegal & unlawful.

This is beginning to remind me of a New Yorker cartoon with the caption 'It's lawyerly, all right. But it's not legal.'

Posted by Margaret Marks at November 18, 2003 04:36 PM

2007-02-22 17:48:55 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Unlawful means not conforming to moral law or social convention. Illegal is when one breaks a specific law. I don't know, it's just a guess. I get two points for the effort.

2007-02-22 16:22:36 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

unlawful means there is a law but they went about it the wrong way i.e. unlawful entry, and illegal is against the law there is no part of it allowable in society.

unlawful has 2 syllables---illegal has 3.

2007-02-22 16:22:38 · answer #4 · answered by Step into the Freezer 6 · 0 0

I guess it just depends on what State you are in when you get in trouble, because they both mean the same thing!

Just like it would be unlawful for me to violate you in an illegal way!

2007-02-22 17:11:58 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

illegal means it's not legal, or against the law. Unlawful means it is not of the law.

2007-02-22 16:23:12 · answer #6 · answered by Crys H. 4 · 0 0

While the two words can be used synonymously, "unlawful" is usually used in a moral context more so than "illegal".

"Illegal" is used mostly in legal contexts.

2007-02-22 16:29:25 · answer #7 · answered by DaveJoseph 3 · 0 0

unlawful: not lawful; contrary to law; illegal
illegal: forbidden by law or statute
—Synonyms 1. unlawful; illegitimate; illicit; unlicensed
They are the same thing! Different words!

2007-02-22 16:23:33 · answer #8 · answered by Liberal City 6 · 0 0

Illegal means "against or not authorized by law." Unlawful means "contrary to, prohibited, or unauthorized by law

2007-02-22 16:23:28 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Main Entry: un·law·ful
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: "&n-'lo -f&l
1 : not lawful : ILLEGAL
2 : not morally right or conventional



Main Entry: 1il·le·gal
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: (")i(l)-'le-g&l
Etymology: Middle French or Medieval Latin; Middle French illegal, from Medieval Latin illegalis, from Latin in- + legalis legal
: not according to or authorized by law

2007-02-22 16:25:17 · answer #10 · answered by Me 2 · 0 0

No difference. Both are punishable by law depending on the degree and severity of the alleged crime.

Remember: it's not innocent until proven guilty, it's how much innocence you can afford.

2007-02-22 16:52:38 · answer #11 · answered by FoxyFoxy, Kickass Drama Queen 5 · 0 0

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