Can todays gang violence be traced back to thatcher?

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Can todays gang violence be traced back to thatcher?

ie it was Maggie thatcher who broke up the socialisti society , broke up communiies ie unions, hippies, peaceful youth cultures, who pushed for busienss values of ruthless capitalisim, greed is good,


Competition breaking up public services and forcing them to fight and compete to put each other out of business and unemployed.


Took away avanues out of poverty via uni studenthood by taking away grants.



Pushing for less community life and more work hard no time for kids culture.

etc etc...


Are not gangs and crack dealing gang culutre capitalisim in its pure form with Blair simply continuing her polices?


This goes back to the 80s and shortly after showing that these gang kids have only known such policies.

Ie this is when we started to emulate America not Europe

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What I am refering to is not so much a poor and rich wealth gap.



More attacks ans destruction on say hippy then rave groups which tended to be non violent and everyone look out for each other.


or unions ie all the workers stick together as a community.



Or say public services say all the dustbinmen and workers all stick toghter and look after each other with time to spend with families.


Replacing it with a culutre of everyone compete or fight each other and destroy each others means of income ie put each other out of business. Competing for the lowest wage.



No longer having a care for things like emplyees welfare, the environment or anything else, just money and be ruthless in efficianecey ie sack people.


Where people care more about money and demand and supply and the bottom line rahter then a society...


Thats sort of thing... not sjust poor folk.

Saying gangs are into money not caring for others

Answer 1

Your writing is a bit rough so there are a few things I just didn't understand! However, from what I did gather, you seem to be misinterpreting the 'Gangs' as a whole. The reason for gang's was for one reason and one reason only! 'Family'!
Some people just didn't have anyone and as a fixer banded together for company! Although, nowadays, there seems to be a bit more to gang life than just the emotional need for family.
There are gangs out there, one in specific, that use kids for their own means! They teach them that killing, lying, cheating, stealing, drug use and drug distribution is the only way! They lie to them and tell them they are loved, until they aren't, and lie to them about who they really are! They tell kids, that in their brain growing stupidity, what makes them feel good and all else becomes of little or no consequence. Most of these kids die before their 21st birthdays with no one to morn them or even care that they existed! The only legacy that they have left is a string of drug filled kids, a list of bodies as long as their arms, and a possible wrap sheet!
Do you honestly think any one of their so called friends cares one way or the other that they are gone? No! They continue on as if nothing happened and move towards the next kill or drug run or drug induced stupor!
The policies in place are not there to capitalize on the misfortunes of the masses but to eliminate the dredge of society who would disregard our children for no more than a 100 pounds or 100.00 dollars of Cocain or Heroin! If you think I'm wrong, find one of these children and ask them to step away from this for more than a day and watch what happens. They will be hunted down by these so called friends and brought back for punishment. Not because they dared to leave, but because they didn't meet their quota for the day they were gone! It's a matter of supply and demand, not just drugs, but human bodies as well! Your only as good as your next money donation to the 'Family'!
If you think I'm wrong take a good look around you! I know what it's like because I've been there! If you want out you have to run and run as fast as you can! Hide and never stop hiding because if you do, your dead!
Instead of bashing policies that you don't agree with why not get out there and make a change in them? Blair aside, who do you think asks for these policies? YOU DO! The people around you, and the mothers and fathers of these gang bangers who want it all to end with their child alive and well!

Please excuse my spelling, spell check works on answers, not booked responses. lol

Good Luck
Blessed Be

Answer 2

Yeah, let's all blame somebody else.

I grew up in the eighties in a single parent household and we didn't have that easy a time of it. Neither did a number ofd my friends.

Yes, there have been some pretty apalling peices of legislation that have allowed a greater rich/ poor gap to develop.

I don't take crack, I don't mug people, I don't hang around in a gang, buy illegal firearms, choose to avoid work so that I can get wasted on the state or have a burned out Ford Fiesta on the lawn of a council house.

Neither does my best mate, who was probably about the poorest person I've ever met when we were growing up.

Some of the people I knew did go over to drugs, booze, violence etc. It's because they were tossers.

Yes Thatcher and Blair both have a lot to answer for in terms of failing to ensure that a country as affluent as ours is able to provide decent services to it's highly taxed populace.

No, they cannot be blamed because some people are too thick, selfish and degenerate to take responsibility for their own lives and actions.

Answer 3

I know what you are getting at - Thatcher said it was all about the 'individual' and there was no such thing as ''society'. Maybe that did erode family values - but I think a whole load of other things did too and I am no fan of Thatcher or her policies.

I think the problem is in families and the soft wooly liberals we have in the UK making it difficult to punish bad behaviour and control criminals. So we live in the land of millions of policies - but essentially the land who doesn't apply the policy or the law to the benefit of the majority. Money and material goods are more important to people than ever now - that may be linked to Thatcher but I suspect not - it is because economically there is more money around - huge technological bounds and people out there who can't afford things who think its their right to have everything regardless.

That is where the problem lies - lack of discipline and not being instilled with realistic values which make you feel comfortable and happy with who you are as a person - not as these gangs do grow up never feeling satisfied with themselves or their lives. Life is what you make of it.

Answer 4

Gang membership is caused by low-quality and emotionally-unavailable family leadership. My mom teaches people how to be nurses while my dad helps develop system databases; while both professions pull in a considerable sum, it is more important to note how the money is spent. Setting aside the usual shelter-food-clothing expenditures along with medical care, there were also several unwise purchases. In my particular case, my parents tried to configure me more for their personal liking through very expensive psychologist visits instead of actually raising me. My parents' attempts to raise me were mainly geared toward ensuring that I did not disrupt their professional lives and what they thought their ideal home lives should be. Setting aside my cerebral and subconscious refusal to cooperate with their plans, my psychiatric hospitalizations ruined their unrealistic expectations. Unfortunately, I do not have the resources to really »take flight to my own prosperity«; gang membership is an avenue looked upon for rectifying this. The parent-child estrangement does not need to be as convoluted as mine in order to contribute to gang membership; I am sure that there are very loving parents that are aghast at their child relatives deciding to join a criminal gang and are wondering where they made a mistake. Such parents made no error while conducting their family government, but there were some deeply buried issues that they did not address. Gangsters typically have similar dysfunctional issues but not the data necessary for the resolution thereof. They are also alienated by society's double standards and hypocrisy; this alienation becomes antipathy and this antipathy manifests itself as aggression and this aggression morphs into criminal activity against civilians and gang violence when against another gang. Basically, gang violence is the external manifestation of confusion and disgust at society's dysfunctional hypocrisy and their emasculated family governments.

Answer 5

Of course not, gangs, and drugs were around back in the 1950's what makes it more known today is TV, and newspapers, nothing to with Blair, or Thatcher, and in those days the gangs were tougher than today, but Blair could hold the cure, but he is to scared to do anything

Answer 6

I don't see how Thatcher could have impacted on youth crime. I'm sure that when she was in power we had less gang violence than today, and it would be hard to argue that 20 years later it is down to her.

Capitalism just effects business and we are no more capitalist now than we ever have been.

Answer 7

The issue is with the PC brigade in the UK Now, AKA the lefties! They are the idiots who have given some factions too many rights and taken things away from normal society enabling it to drop down to the pits it is now. Margaret Thatcher encouraged people to get off their arses and work, make better lives for themselves whereas, she didn't pander to the needs of minority groups and allowed the abuse of the human rights acts to take precedence over sensibility!
It is the Loony left that has ruined the UK

Answer 8

Why do people keep going on about Margaret Thatcher? She hasn't been prime minister for 17 years.

And there was never a 'socialist society in Britain dear - I think you should have tried harder at school

Answer 9

Thatcher did start this.It started when the tories brought the ruling in that under 18 you could not claim benifit whilst living at home.What happened most kids got flats.My son left home for that reason.I hate that woman & am proud to say I never ever voted for her.

Answer 10

Thatcher took away my free milk!! It was blo0dy awful growing up in the Thatcher years of " greed is good".