So, people who think we should pull out of Iraq, what is your explanation?

Question

It would seem by that statement that you want the United States to fail. Is this true? Just note: If you believe we should leave, you believe we should lose, which means failing.

Answer 1

why would we do that in the first place- that would not be the smartest thing to do. We are on the offence now- there hasnt been another 9-11 has there. it doesnt matter if you are for or againts the war- all that matters is that wer are at war and you should support your country

Answer 2

You assume too much.

Thinking that our troops should leave Iraq is not the same as "wanting the US to lose". I have opposed this war since before it started, because what has happened seemed to me to be far more likely than the outcome Bush assured us would be so very rosy.

As to the oft-heard argument that since we're already there, we can't leave until the outcome is in fact rosy, I say hogwash. If the invasion was a mistake, then it's a mistake to continue it.

I also place more credibility in the combined unanimous assessments of the US Intelligence agencies and the Bush-appointed bipartisan Baker Iraq Study Group that we are in fact making the two separate problems of violence in Iraq and global Islamist terrorism worse and not better by our continued military involvement.

That means that the longer we stay, the worse our difficulties and those of the Iraqis grow.

This is a rational assessment based on my being able to put myself in some hypothetical Iraqi's sandals and ask myself how long I would tolerate an uninvited, unwelcome, foreign military occupation of MY town, and the answer is: Not Long.

It has nothing to do with "wanting America to fail", because I don't (and I volunteer my time locally to assure that my little portion of it is more likely to survive and succeed).

I posit you that we failed the moment we rolled across the Iraqi border, and that every day we stay only compounds our failure.

Are you able to see beyond the bitterly narrow construction of your question and answer my response on its merits? I won't hold my breath or anything...

Answer 3

The US military pulling out of Iraq might be a failure for wacko, ignorant "conservatives," but it would be a great victory and an enormous relief for the Americans that understand what is going on, and for the rest of the world. We might actually, after a few years, be able to begin rebuilding the reputation we once had in the world as a sensible, caring nation of good people.

Obviously, we can't just walk out and leave things as they are now. Before we do that we must establish a multi-national peacekeeping body based on the military power of moderate Islamic states in the area, and supported by the UN or some purpose-built auxilliary peacekeeping coalition.

Most of the cost of this should be borne by the shareholders and officers of the companies that have made obscene amounts of money on the "war" in Iraq, and it should be guided by a panel of knowledgeable people who can make sense of it, and are outside the sphere of influence of Republican politicians, American rich people, and other "conservatives."

If we don't do this now, the situation will continue to become more and more untenable until we are forced to evacuate as we were in VietNam.

This coalition should be given, say, ten years to do its work, and if situational goals have not been met, we should go into the troubled countries, tie all the men to a chain link fence, and give each of the women an AK-47. That will bring peace in the end.

Answer 4

First off, the US had not lost any war in the Middle East - by physical affirmation of our presence. We simply have dominated and taken control of an entire Nation, no-one sees that as a lost in the International community. Except for the political and International opinionated losses, then what loss are you speaking of?

The military of the US has overthrown and demolished one of the top ten military known to men today, under Saddam's regime and command. The unrest between sectarian divides, most closely represent what the media/democratic government wants you to see, and believe it is caused by our US actions. When in fact it has proved decades of fighting this cause within the Middle East. The advances and changes have never or had limited airtime to see the fruits of the labor to these campaigns in the Middle East.

If anyone is brainwashed, it is the ones that caved into and shutter in their homes from radicals and militia's and their evil doings.

Answer 5

Where in the world did you come up with this delusional ideation? No one wants the US to loose. We all certainly are deeply hurt inside our guts every day, when on the news we hear of yet another bloody day of chaos, which is indefinable--at least not by our top administration.

We are not loosing anything but lives and Billions of dollars that could certainly be put to use in a more peaceful use. Pulling out equals peace and saving lives. You aren't against peace and saving lives (and $ Billions) are you? Of course not. We all want this in the real world. That's my answer.

Answer 6

... you only fail if you don't accomplish what you meant to do....

we went to get Saddam out of power... he's gone... set up a government, it's set up... build and train an army, it's trained...

what exactly is your idea of "winning"? complete peace?

this Iraq area is most likely to be AT BEST, like the Israel/Palestinian situation... in other words constant attacks for years and years... just due to the cultural situation in the area...

the question is... how much do you know about the people we are fighting... and can we "win" by your standards?

I could say "I enrolled you in a contest... you have to jump to the moon under your own power, if you can't, you fail."... you would fail...

if you set unrealistic expectations because you don't know the situation... then you can't ever win...

Answer 7

I don't think that would be a good idea. There is more to this than meets the eye and I believe that people who want immediate results with anything are dreamers.

Watch this video of 3 former terrorist who are now practicing tolerance. They have information that will get your head to thinking and I'm hoping all the others watch this as well. It's one H of an education...believe me.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=LK07B70&f=PW07B04&t=e

Answer 8

You premise that leaving Iraq amounts to failure would be the same as advising someone whose vehicle is stuck in the mud to keep their foot on the accelerator while saying that getting out of the hole they are stuck in would constitute failure. I don;t know anyone who wants to see American troops redeploy from the civil war that Iraq has become, is suggesting that this amounts to failure. From what I can see our presence in Iraq has become part of the problem rather than part of the solution. For this reason, it's time to change tactics and begin to remove our troops from the conflagration that our occupation of Iraq has become.

Answer 9

We have already failed. Our failure is inherent in starting this war, we could not do anything but fail. If we stay there for 10 years, when we leave, we will have failed.
We have no business there, it is not our concern.

Answer 10

Let's just go home. The Iraqis are so busy killing each other they might not even notice that we are gone.

And to make sure that not one more American is killed or maimed in Iraq sounds more like victory to me.

Answer 11

If you were pounding your head against the wall, getting it bloody, and after doing that for 4 years you had nothing to show for it except a bloody head - would stopping the pounding be failure?

Or would it simply be admitting that your original goal - of knocking the wall down using your head - was foolhardy?

Pulling out of Iraq and letting Iraqis run Iraq is simply common sense.

If we didn't want Iran to be involved, Bush shouldn't have recruited all those Iranian sympathizers like Ahmad Chalabi before the war to support his fraudulent WMD intelligence campaign in exchange for positions of power in the post-war government.