Are conservatives familiar with Article VI of the US Constitution?

Question

And a follow-up - how about the UN Charter?

Now you know why Bush is a war criminal.

Actually, earlybirdy, the joint resolution doesn't mention the UN Charter. It only refers to Resolution 678 which authorized the defense of Kuwait, and ignores Resolution 687, which suspended that authorization and declared a cease-fire.

The UN never lifted that cease-fire - this is why the Iraq war violates the Charter, the U.S. Constitution, and US law.

urstrader - the UN Charter is a treaty ratified by the US Senate. Therefore, it is the Supreme Law of the Land.

Answer 1

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

The "all Treaties" part is the kicker. In other words - the UN agreements are also law in the US.

Opinion notwithstanding - suck it up cons.

Answer 2

Wow, how much more wrong can you be.

How does Article VI apply here?

"Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

And the Charter of the UN only applies when the sovereign nation decides it applies. That's why so many nations on all sides of the political spectrum can take or leave the rulings of the UN with impunity -- the UN has no capability to enforce any of its rulings on any nation in the world unless the ***United States*** decides to act on it. Just look at the entire history of the UN, and you will see that if the US isn't involved, nothing is solved. When the might of the US is involved, things happen.

Answer 3

Well in the case of the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq", half of it is based on the existence of "weapons of mass destruction - which turned out to be a complete fabrication.

If the police in the US got a warrant under false pretences, they would be in serious trouble and we all know now for sure that the WMD line was a lie.

Moving on, other parts of the authorization, like violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council such as oppressing its people means that the US should be going to TONS of countries, especially in Africa, and should have gone before the civial wars broke out as well.

There are members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan right now, and according to this, it was a reason to wage war with Iraq.

This is the best reason - "Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction" - yet the US ACTUALLY done the same in terms of nuclear weapons - clearly another country can make a case to attack the US using this SAME logic.

I won't bother to go on. The majority of the World disagreed with the action, the US never got an ok from the UN and went ahead anyway.

Convenience is a funny thing. When you need to make a case, it is made but unfortunately so many other countries do not have what Iraq has to ffer.

Answer 4

Your question doesn't make any sense.


Article VI. - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Answer 5

Umm: Article VI:

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


And that relates to "war crimes" precisely how?

Answer 6

So you think that by supporting the UN charter, we are sovereign to them?

If that's the case, then why do we need elections? Doesn't that me the Secretary General is supreme ruler and potentate over the US? Clearly, this isn't the case.

Article VI does not strip us of our sovereignty because we've signed a charter. It says the Constitution is paramount, where states' laws and agreements under treaties are in conflict with it.

Answer 7

If I am familiar with it, I'm sure that others are as well. I see no need to quote it, let others look it up for themselves, since they are supposed to be American, they ought to know what the Constitution says & what it means.
What does the UN charter have to do with the US Constitution? The UN has no power in any nation; all they can do is advise. To take their advisement is up to each nation, most pay no attention.
Yes, Bush may be a criminal in your mind but he had the power handed to him by the Congress of the US, to wage war without the consent of anyone. So where is the criminal act?

Answer 8

Article VI. - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


I guess I don't know what your point is. Bush is a war ciminial because...?

You really, really, really, really lost me here. I can think of several reasons Bush MIGHT be a war criminal, but I can't find one here.

Answer 9

I take it that your position is that the USA entered into a treaty with the UN, so now the UN is the supreme law of the land?
My goodness, you need to be on the Supreme Court with Constitutional knowledge like that! I am surprised that you would consent to even talk to us commoners.

Answer 10

Have you actually read the resolution to go to war?

It explains the legality of it, and how it fits within the UN's charter.

Here's a link to help you out: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html


EDIT: Sooooo basically you are saying the UN violated its own charter? Well then... that's something maybe I can get behind. ;-) The resolution mentions UN Resolutions other than the two you mentioned. It explains how the resolution by Congress is well within the UN resolutions, and if the UN resolutions were in opposition to the UN Charter, then the UN has some bigger issue on their hands.

Cheers, mate.

Answer 11

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Bush has done what he has wanted to without concern for either the LAWS OR the Constitution! Bush pushing the bill in Oct which OKed torture (Including rape) is not worthy of the US or the world which we live in. He has pulled some pretty bad stunts and the US people have let him get away with it. I hope that he will be responsible for his actions that have led us where we are today...I can only hope ONE day that he will be forced in front of Congress under oath!