How long do we stand for this?

Question

In Britains society today we see ourselves being over run by taxes on absolutely any, and everything, and the soul cause of this is immigrants and benefit claimers. In total last year tax payers wasted 2.4 billion pounds of our money, that could be put to much better uses, on bailing out these low life wasters who 1.) come into our country with no intention of working, just to claim benefits and live frree of charge for the rest of their life, and 2.) accept that there are people inside our own communities that are happy to sit down all day claiming benefits instead of gettin up and sorting themselves out with a job. Taxes are being raped from my earnings to pay for these people; and has been taken from me for years previously, now more and more TAX IS being forcefully enamored from our pay docets to pay for useless things that enhance the lifestyles of these lowlifes. ITS TIME IT STOPPED, BORDERS NEED TO BE SHUT AND OUR COUNTRY NEEDS TO SORT ITSELF OUT BEFORE SORTING OTHERS!

Answer 1

Think of an average Joe earning £500.00 per week.
He pays income tax (@23%) which is approximately £83.00.
He then pays Nat.Insurance of £45.00.
His employer has to pay Nat INsurance of £52.00 on top

(The Government has immediately stolen £180.00)

Joe has now got left £369.00 to spend.

He pays 82.5% tax on petrol at an average filling of £50.00 (£41.25 tax)
He pays 85% tax on his cigarettes (say 20 cigs a day @ £4.00 per 20) thats £28.00 (£23.80 tax)
He pays 80% tax on alcohol (say 4 bottles of wine and 6 pints of beer) total approx. £37.00 ( £29.60 tax)
He pays an average Council Tax (in Band D) of approx. £30.00 pw.
(Of course, we British know, it does'nt end there!)

So, after Joe (per week) has 'paid' his way, he is left with the princely sum of...£224.00 after which, everything he buys like food, clothes, etc carries another 17.5% VAT.
At the end of an average week, our average Joe and his employer,has had, stolen from them in tax...£310.00!!!

£190.00 (approx. 2/5ths his wage) is what he has actually spent.... plus Tax!! (3/5ths)

And, as the questioner asks ...How long can we stand for this!!?

Answer 2

Please feel free to "rant", we need to air these thoughts.
I am glad to see someone with a voice.

Only one point i wish to add.

According to national statistics there are 1.2 million people unemployed in this country. The bill for them was 2.4 billion. That's £2000 per person for the year? And for some this is all they have to live on, with the average wage something silly like £20k per year? So although you think they are everywhere and sponging off the system, they are not necessarily.

In the 1980-90 the unemployment figure was around 3 million.

We now have a much larger population, through (OK yes) immigration and through natural growth from within. Fact is people are living longer and this is probably a large contributing factor to the money you seem to begrudge paying.

There are many other things your taxes are truely wasted on too.

To live in a society with the comforts that we all take for granted you must pay a price.

Just saying....8)

Answer 3

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Answer 4

...There may be some legitimate validity to your point of view, but I work with 'these lowlifes' children (Your words not mine) and the view you have is not one I can share. I have a wide multi-cultural family, including eastern europeans, White English, asian british born people - all of those within my contact have been decent, hardworking, people with a strong work ethic. My parents emigrated here in the fifties, and are as British as can be - having own spent 18 years in their 'own' country. If you know people making fraudlent claims (remember Lizzie Bardsley?!) then turn them in, regardless of thier race, colour or creed. That will stop an estimated 1 billion of your money, and my money because Ive been paying taxes all my life to.
I don't know any immigrants who think this is the easy option, are here illegally and are not working. DO you? or is this just an easy way for you not to look at the things going on in your own life that you're not happy about?
I Imagine lots of people would want England to close their borders - the spanish, the portugese, the Irish and everywhere else that some middle englanders are fleeing to...as immigrants.

Answer 5

The government doesn't just get money in from taxes. It gets it in from Natural resources by licencing them. Ask a farmer who wants to drill a well for water on his own land! But they also licence North Sea Oil, Television, all the air waves. The airwave licences for mobile phones brought in £20 billion alone. They can then print virtually as much money as they damn well like. Your taxes are a drop in the ocean. If they sacked everyone at the DVLA and put road tax on petrol - that would be a some people who could do useful work and we wouldn't need this mad-capped road charging scheme with electronic numbers plates and satellite technology. They could scrap the TV licence too. How about making petrol £2 a litre and scrapping your bloody income tax and making Tony Blair's holdays a bit more expensive by taxing aviation fuel too. We all own the natural resources even the sick babies that are born every day in our hospitals - it is their birth right if they are born in the UK. Sack bureaucrats and make taxation sensible!
As far as immigration is concerned - we are an island and only have so much room and a housing shortage. However, I have friends around the world. One wants to come here to study medicine and I have no objection to that as it will be funded by grants and burseries. Another is a highly qualified computer systems analyst and computer security expert and we do have a shortage of those! But people just coming to claim benefits - have been stopped mostly. Although, some still come from other EU countries. Those problems still need to be sorted out - particularly in the light of new Eastern European countries joining the EU at the beginning of this year. We need first to make sure we have enough housing. We have a population of less than 60 million people and 84 million National Insurance numbers - with children around 16 million of them - it gives us a population of around 100 million - who are all the extra people? That doesn't count illegals! The government run the country and it is their responsibility to sort the problem out or get voted out!

Answer 6

Too many problems to solve. All the solutions far more complicated than they at first appear. I agree that all the problems need solving but I'm not sure I have all the answers. I know I pay too much tax, I know some people take advantage of the welfare state, I also know some people need all the help we can give them and then some. Time for an election and a change of government, unfortunately I don't think any of the others are any better.

Answer 7

On the issue of taxation in UK, always remember the words of the Victorian prime minister, Benjamin Disraeli, known to his friends as 'Dizzy'. "Everything is taxable."

Meanwhile in the States, there is a growing debate, still, on the issue of taxation without representation. Some people believe their tax money should go exclusively to their own State and only small amounts then go on to Washington. The Revolution is not dead then?

Here in London, the US Embassy has refused point-blank to pay the Congestion Charge, claiming it is a tax and that diplomats do not pay tax. The extension of the Congestion Charge Zone westward now has the attention of other Embassies, including the Spanish, who now say they're not going to pay what they call the "Car Tax".

In the never ending struggle to avoid paying tax, the ultra-rich have already shifted their money abroad. A lot of money now sits in banks in Monaco, where there is little or no income tax to speak of. The Rolling Stones have never paid any tax here in UK in their entire careers. All their monies are managed by clever accountants in Holland and Beligium, I believe.

As for benefits and claimants thereof, I have little understanding of the system and have never claimed anything. If hands-outs are going to refugees then we need to tighten that up a bit. I cannot see how an illegal immigrant can get benefits unless they either use a false ID or just simply use their own and get away with it. What if the guy in the benefits office belongs to the same tribe as the guy claiming benefits? Happens.

Answer 8

Your area may be filled with people who claim unemployment benefits and if that is so I am very sympathetic, but this is not true of everywhere. Where I live immigrants are having a very positive effect on the local economy and I am very pleased they are here.

I think it is bad and wrong to cheat the system. People should work if they come here (unless they are wealthy enough not to claim benefits) and should pay taxes. They can use the NHS and things while they are here and the taxes will benefit them too while they are here.

One of my friends is an immigrant from Poland. He works 40 hours a week and pays tax. He rents a flat and spends money on food and clothes - this causes him to pay more tax in the form of VAT. He knows about a dozen other Polish people who also live in my area (Harrogate) who also work full time and pay tax.
My mum works for the council and there is a nice immigrant lady on her department who works part time there, she pays tax.
My friend Nick is a bus driver for Harrogate and District Busses and he says about half the staff there are from Eastern Europe and that they are all good drivers. I think Nick is an excellent judge of character and would not work with a load of losers.
A few months ago I used to work in a cash & carry wholesaler and several of our best customers were Italian and Chinese immgrants who own and operate restaurants serving ethinic foods like pizza and Chinese food.
When I was at school the caretaker was a refugee from Bosnia and he was really cool. He had a master's degree in engineering but really enjoyed working with his hands and improving the school.

So I have found that, at least around where I live immigrants help the economy. I guess there will be negatives to immigartion in places like London or Birmingham but they are not present where I live.

If people come here with no intention of working then they should be made to leave after 6 months. I think everyone should be given a chance to work in a new country if they want to but if they don't take the chance and just want free stuff then they should leave. It's not fair to cheat the system and it gives a bad name to those immigrants who do work hard.

Answer 9

i could not agree more! in my opinion this government and all it's members are traitors to queen and country and all nationals, i would gladly shoot them,the trouble is that the English wander about all their lives moaning about the injustices that are in everyday life, but do NOTHING ABOUT IT, SO THE GOVERNMENT DO EXACTLY AS THEY LIKE, AND YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE THIS, i had high hopes in the last fuel crisis, that the worms were turning, but no, they have all crawled back under the ground and continue to just moan and put up with it, i am 60 years old, i have been honest all my life and worked 99% of it, i drew out my pension to top up my wages and the government has put down my tax Code so they now have my pension too!!
my advice to anyone, move your money to an off shore bank, you will get more interest and will not pay tax on it, so you will have your money you have worked for, and you will be able to spend how you wish, even if a small amount now, it will grow, and you will benefit not the government,
i wish you a happy life!

Answer 10

A very good effort you make of highlighting the awful truth. Do you notice how you always get some answerers who waste type by the ever complacent " you're a bit peeved "or " you're not very happy are you " pathetic remarks? What earthly use are such feeble replies ? There is a mindset deeply embedded in the gutless British people that says, anyone who puts an issue to the test and to be questioned is either " moaning " or " not a very nice person ". This is avoidance behaviour and a clear sign of fear and denial. It happens because so many (a) do not have any intelligent ideas of how they could cope other than being carried along by a comfort zone system and (b) are terrified of being made to look at the real truth, of what a failure and what cowards in life they really are. One clear example is the "Captain Flaps" idiot in your answers who since May !! has not posted ONE QUESTION in here but suggests you take your views elsewhere! The easy way out for these weak brains is to pass it on or aim back at the person, like yourself who is wise enough and courageous enough to speak out and challenge issues.
Britain is FINISHED as a nation. FINISHED ! It is in a very very bad state. The people are to blame for allowing their lazy avoidances to finally catch up on them. No one in UK has any public spirited guts, and for fear of " not being liked " they will deny reality and just kid themselves along that all is ok. You will not get rid of the welfare scroungers because it also suits the Govt. to just keep them in a hole, and most of what they are paid is clawed back through booze, fags and media taxes / revenues such as Sky TV. etc. These drugs are mostly all that Brits aspire to now. You are entangled in a totally manipulated "give up" defeatist majority I am afraid. The Govt. have it well worked out so that no masses rise up to protest. It is known as the dumbing down of a society, which is why the place is blind drunk every weekend or screeching at a stupid corporate advertising football match on TV. It is a long term mess and is the pay off for cowardice, laziness and self centred indulgences in the past. Even if you had a vote to change this situation,you would get little support or unity and anyway your vote wouldn't mean a thing because Britain is now under a dictatorship ! Do NOT be fooled into thinking you are in a democracy because far from it ! Just delete the braindead answers or abuse report them as not comprehensible ! The idiot bin for British p u s s i e s.

Answer 11

Too many issues here. Too many problems to solve. All the solutions far more complicated than they at first appear. I agree that all the problems need solving but I'm not sure I have all the answers. I know I pay too much tax, I know some people take advantage of the welfare state, I also know some people need all the help we can give them and then some. Time for an election and a change of government, unfortunately I don't think any of the others are any better.