This Valentines day advertisement shows a man being given a black eye for not getting the right Valentines day gift:
DETRIOT NEWS AD WARNS MEN - GET HER THE RIGHT VALENTINES DAY GIFT OR SHE'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=226
DIRECT LINK TO ADVERTISEMENT
http://www.glennsacks.com/enewsletters/enews-021407-v-day-ad.gif
This Yahoo advertisement shows that Valentines day has become more about putting unimpressed women up on a pedestal:
WOMEN UNIMPRESSED ON VALENTINES DAY
http://www.dontmakehermad.com/images/valentinesday/
This is in addition to the V-Day Vagina Monologues direct man bashing.
Seems to me that women should be grateful for a day about chivalry and romance, but what we are seeing happen is women EXPECTING SOMETHING GOOD OR THE MAN DESERVES PUNISHMENT.
What is going through women's minds when they milk chivalry to the point of man bashing like this? Could this have something to do with chivalry dying?
2007-02-18 15:13:39 · 12 answers · asked by Happy Bullet 3 in Social Science ➔ Gender Studies
For some reason these "skewed" impressions of women sell products and are considered truthful enough to be used by advertisers. And yes my anecdotal evidence is that women will get angry if they don't get the right Valentines gift, and will triumphantly exclaim that they got their boyfriend nothing. Not that one person's anecdotal evidence means more than the implications of a mass media advertisement.
2007-02-18 18:23:16 · update #1
Chivalry is not and will not be dead or dying anytime soon; it's still very well alive and kicking as a cultural phenomenon as evidenced by such advertisements as that and laws applicable throughout our society; it's just a sort of one-sided chivalry because, as you said, it is milked for all it is worth. Women are put on a pedestal today because... here's the kicker...
THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PUT ON A PEDESTAL.
ALWAYS.
It's no different today from the way it was in the 20th or 19th century; the only major differences are the media we use to portray it and the level of misandry evident in the portrayal as well as society (add to that academia and law, if you wish).
EDIT: Baba Yaga, your statement is true, but it is generally assumed that terms like Feminism and Chivalry have specific meanings. What is important in theory is not important in practice; that is, what is most important is what the popular convention states. Case in point, chauvinism. It refers merely to extreme patriotism, but is used to imply misogyny and sexism against women. Remember that when you reply in that manner.
2007-02-18 15:39:22 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 2⤋
Partners. Soul mates or survivors? I have no idea. A woman provides a womb and care and nurturing. A man can provide care and nurturing. BOTH typically provide the finances. Women often bear the brunt of the financial cost alone, so Farrell is out-of-touch. There is no guarantee to keep us just as there is no guarantee to keep men. Women are not addicted to ideals of chivalry. What exactly does chivalry have to do with equal rights (security, health, education, economic opps)???? Do men really believe that the two cannot co-exist? On what basis? You want equality so I"m not going to be nice to you anymore??? I really never got that. If men dont want to be polite, nice, gentlemen (not all are, anyway), that is fine by me. Chivalry does more to promote the image of man than it does to help women in some cases, IN some cases, chivaly is too formal, inconvenient and tiring. I am embarrassed when a guy asks another guy to give up his seat on the bus for me. Really, folks, I am not disabled. I also had a guy self-righteously yell at a homeless man lying on the bench at the bus stop - I'd rather have him rest there - I'm a big advocate for the homeless. These 2 cases do NOT take my feelings into consideration. It's not that I dont appreciate chivalry, but really - I am a human with feelings that just dont always jive with chivalry.
2016-03-29 02:12:11 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Unfortunately for the good men and women out in the world .. there will always be the nasty cold-hearted B!tch and the nasty female-bashing caveman... I just feel it is a shame that the two rarely end up together leaving the decent people with each other.
Valentines day is bascially a croc .. if a woman gets all pi$$y because she didn't get a bunch of roses on Valentines day .. BUT gets treated kindly and warmly and like a princess for all the other days of the year then she in my book is a stupid bovine of a woman who needs her head read..
IF advertising and marketing agents are going down the path you say well it's only further proof of the down hill slide in our society
I think though that Chivalry is dying because we're becoming an "I'M ALL RIGHT JACK BUGGAR YOU" world .. whether it's men treating women well .. or women treating men well or basically JUST people in general treating each other well ...we're slipping.. we lack warmth.. we lack compassion .. SO long as WE PERSONALLY are ok ..so many of us DON't give a damn about others...
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2007-02-20 19:15:47 · answer #3 · answered by ll_jenny_ll here AND I'M BAC 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
"For some reason these 'skewed' impressions sell products"...and the media doesn't use denigrating and stereotypical impressions of BOTH sexes to sell products? Women are often portrayed as mindless "bodies"-with nothing to offer except their looks, to sell products. Men are portrayed as so sex consumed that getting a woman is the "end-all, be-all" to the male existence--BOTH are insulting stereotypes, neither are true. Commercials are not concerned with portraying people in a fair, truthful way...and if implying that men "better" spend lots of money on Valentine's Day will actually get men to spend more money, then the corporations have achieved their goal. Not women, not feminists. Get real, that Yahoo advertisement is NOT about "putting unimpressed women on a pedestal" again, it's about getting men to spend more money. I am willing to bet it was a man that wrote that commercial anyway. If you are going to begin insisting that commercials portray real life, real people, and their real thoughts and beliefs in a "truthful" way, or "imply" any sort of reality...well, ten year old children know better.
2007-02-19 07:56:02 · answer #4 · answered by wendy g 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I am a thoroughly modern independant woman who loves romance and chivalry and who doesn't give a toss about valentines gifts .
Why believe all this media nonsense? Talk to a few intelligent modern women of depth and get some real answers.
2007-02-19 09:30:03 · answer #5 · answered by Sarah H 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
You are right - those ads really give a great impression of women, don't they. I would like to think that most women are not like that, but I'm pretty sure I would be wrong since they are using it to advertise, it's usually because it will "connect". Well, I think its sad when women bash men. Women should either be very happy to have that man in their life, or they should let him go be with someone who will. (This does not include any guy who is abusing his girl). But, for the most part, I do hear a lot of typical "man bashing" just talking with my friends and I have never been a part of it. Well, at least there are some decent women out there who don't participate - I am one.
2007-02-19 00:04:24 · answer #6 · answered by zaytox0724 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋
On Valentine's day I sent my sweetheart a simple note saying: "I love you." - straight from the heart|
And that is all I gave her|
We have to realize that there are two types of man-woman relationships out there|
In one type (the bad type) the man is simply a means for the woman to get what she wants out of life and vice-versa| Essentially they are in a barter of pleasures and other goods, and if one fails to live up to the contract - adios!
In the other type (the good type) the man and the woman truly love each other - they truly care about the other and the other's happiness and well-being| They give gifts, but these are not primarily for their own sake but they are tokens of the love of the giver as the gift symbolized the love of the giver|
What you were describing above were expectations of women of the first category| Women of that type do not love their man (if they did, they would not do such things), but simply treats their man as something they can exploit, and then on pretext have the fun of humiliating him when they can|
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2007-02-18 22:52:27 · answer #7 · answered by Catholic Philosopher 6 · 4⤊ 1⤋
You are getting confused between the media portrayal of women, and real women in the real world.
How many women do you actually know who would mistreat their partners (ie hit them, or "punish" them) for not doing "something good" on Valentines day?
Personally, I can't think of any, and in fact almost all women I know consider valentines day to be shallow, and not a special day at all. Maybe this is the reason for all the mad advertising - to convince women that their men are lacking somehow, or inadequate if they don't make a big show on Valentines day.
It certainly is an unnacceptable depiction of relationships, and if you are truly upset you should make a formal complaint - you would be well within your rights to do so.
As for chivalry, well I don't think that organising something for Valentines day is particularly chivalrous anyway. Chivalry is much more than that, and although women may take advantage of Valentines day, I don't think this really contributes to the death of chivalry in any sense.
Em
2007-02-18 16:27:45 · answer #8 · answered by Emmerage 2 · 6⤊ 4⤋
PLEASE DEFINE YOUR TERM. HOW ON EARTH CAN ANYONE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE ON ABOUT IF YOU REFUSE TO DEFINE YOUR TERMINOLOGY???
"Chivalry[1] is a term related to the medieval institution of knighthood…
Between the 11th century and 15th centuries Medieval writers often used the word chivalry, but its definition was never consistent between authors, and its meaning would change on a regional basis, and even over time. Further, its modern meanings is different from medieval meanings. Thus, the exact meaning of chivalry changes depending on the writer, the time period, and the region, so a comprehensive definition of the term is elusive."
Robinson, "...what the popular convention states".
Yes and...what DOES the popular convention state? I haven't heard the word used since I was in grade school learning about King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table...
2007-02-18 15:42:07 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 4⤋
dracoiera it isnt about what actually happens in real life, it is about portraying violence against men as acceptabel. This is a serious issue since although a man can defend himself he subjects himself to VAWA if he chooses to do so with all the consequences.
2007-02-19 02:53:17 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋