Which image of humanity do you prefer "The Fallen Angle" or "The Rising Ape" and why?

Question

Or is there a different image you prefer?

Angel not angle. sorry about that.

Answer 1

The Rising Ape--- it shows progress.

I think much more of progression, even to a lower level that others have regressed to.. It shows the we have the ability to build upon what we already know.

Answer 2

Oh definitely rising ape, it makes so much more sense. How would we have decreased our own life expectancy from 30 years to 80 years if we weren't drastically rising and improving ourselves? The fallen angel thing is purely religious in origin anyways, and quite unfairly depressing considering the amazing accomplishments humans have achieved all on their own, through the very curiosity and desire for knowledge that the fallen angel/Garden of Eden thing tries to vilify.

Answer 3

My actual understanding is that man is not and never was the angel. While the formed of clay material theory is insufficient to describe life bio-chemical process, it gives some interesting parable for the psychology and religion relation. The rising ape analogy is good as a humilifier opposed to religious ego on the one side and allows a supernatural qualification for humanity on the other, i.e. that mans mind has formed a new reality beyond his own control such that he sees himself as unrelated to nature and is unrelated to nature, but that is not a condition outside of nature, that's an expression of nature through man as man, not man as ape.

http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/bublitz.htm

Ute Bublitz (1998)

Beyond Philosophy
Reconciliation and Rejection
Three Essays on Aristotle and Hegel


"Nature engenders nature, and nature only, in its reproduction and in its life. The rose brings forth more roses, never anything ‘unnatural’ or ‘unrose-like’. The human being creates humanity, but with this difference: what is human can at the same time be either ‘human’ or ‘inhuman’. The results of human action range from creations which fill our hearts and souls with lasting strength and delight, to crimes whose shame no atonement can wipe off the face of the earth."



http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/bublitz.htm

Answer 4

Falling angles? Like 90 degrees and 37 degrees??

Nah! You must mean fallen angels!

I prefer the fallen angels since I know that we all are sinful and therefore we all have the potential to be unredeemed. Jesus Christ has died and rose from the dead to get the fallen angels (us) into right relationship with God the Father.

Rising Ape?? Not me. I am created from the first man, Adam, not evolved from a gelatinous blob of stuff.

Answer 5

The "Rising Ape" because it is more earth centered.

Answer 6

I'm with Mark Twain who once described evolution as "the monkey's fall from grace!"

Answer 7

I'd rather believe that I fell from a superior position than ascended from a monkey, but it seems rather clear that me and BONZO are related

Answer 8

fallen angel. it's more realistic to my experiences.