Have Liberals Given Any Thought As To What Iraq Will Become If The Libs/Dems Get What They Want?

Question

...American liberals/dems want to remove American troops from Iraq, pronto. They are making moves to defund the effort. Are liberals considering the many repercussions of surrendering to the terrorist insurgents in Iraq? Please explain your position whatever it may be. Thanks...and if you are a liberal, please answer the question I posted. I`m sure you were getting ready to go off on a tangent of some sort...Thanks again !

dstr- You forgot to answer my question. I knew that would happen. I know your kind all too well.

Answer 1

Those who make the argument you are making .are the very same self interested(oil industry's) bastards that brought us this war.
You know who really fears us leaving?
The ones who have a financial gain from a hopeful puppet government.

The so-called "war on terror" fought as the war on Iraq is taking place in a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq posed no threat to the United States except in the minds of those requiring and/or fabricating the reasons for war. Yes, , let us talk of the sickness then. A first strike, preventive war of choice is sick. Bombing a country through "Shock and Awe" because it was expedient to have access to our desperately needing its oil is sick. Adopting and using a policy of extreme rendition where the U.S. government sanctions and fosters the disappearance of people to nations where gross torture is allowed so that surrogates can do the dirty work for it is sick. Lying to Congress, the US people and the world in order to justify going to war is sick. Murdering complete Iraqi families by dropping 1,000 pound bombs on them is sick. Breaking the standard by which human decency is maintained, at least in part, during war, i.e., the Hague Conventions of 1889 and 1907, the Geneva Conventions of 1949, and the Nuremberg Conventions adopted by the United Nations December 11, 1945, is sick. Unloading hundreds of tons of depleted uranium is sick. Dropping cluster bombs is sick. Unexploded cluster bomb bomblets becoming land mines taking off children's limbs is sick. Killing as you would call them precious unborn fetuses by poisoning them with radioactive dust is sick. Our youth dying for the ruling elite and rich man's war for profit is sick. Let us reiterate once again, that going to war with Iraq had nothing to do with any threat from Iraq and it had nothing to do with 9-11. It had everything to do with lying about weapons of mass destruction, lying about aluminum tubes, lying about yellow-cake uranium, lying about mobile biological and chemical weapons labs, lying to the United Nations, lying to the world. That, , is sick. And, it is this sickness that you would project onto those who criticize you and the sickness of this regime. The fact that anyone else, or faction, or nation, may be sicker is not justification for excusing this regime's sickness.

Answer 2

Sure they have. Most liberals ( and I suspect most Americans) no longer support this war because we know we are losing. And the sad fact remains that whatever we do, Iraqis will suffer. I would ask many conservatives, what will become of Iraq if we stay? Does it take hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands more casualties until we've finally reached the conclusion that victory (meaning a peaceful Iraq with a stable democratic government harboring no terrorists) is not possible? The implication of your question is that if we leave, there will be a genocide and that whole country will be a safe haven for terrorists. Well, there may be a genocide, but the fact is that over 600000 Iraqis have died since the invasion. Is that not a genocide? And as for terrorists (ie.Al Qaeda), I'm fairly comfortable that once we leave the Shia will take care of them in short order. Your question is basically a means to intimidate Americans and liberals into staying the course in Iraq, instilling fear so that the Rethuglicans can save face until they pass off the whole mess onto Obama and then pin the blame on him. Nice try, bud.

Answer 3

It is a sad truth, but most Americans could care less what Iraq becomes, we are more concerned with New Orleans and the rest of our own country. The Liberal/Conservative rhetoric is funny on talk radio, but the reality is that whether we "cut and run" or "surge" the war will continue. The American political process, for all it's filth and comedy, is irrelevant to the rest of the world. Our enemies in the Middle East aren't elected for four year terms, and they aren't going to retire to a ranch in Texas after they leave office.

Wake up, you may end up back to back with a liberal fighting in your own urban war before long with both of you trying to keep the other alive. It's a real war, we are really fighting, not a game Bush is playing. It doesn't end just because the White House loses it current resident and replaces him with another. Our enemies see Ted Kennedy, John McCain and Joe Lieberman as simply three enemies, with Joe (being Jewish) as their first target. They make no political distinction other than to widen the perceived gap between the two party ideologies in an effort to undermine our Government as a whole. As much as I would like to think we could just walk away from the war, reality doesn't work that way. If we try to "cut and run" odds are pretty good the only change will be the site of the battlefield, not the status of the war.

Answer 4

For crying out loud, the terrorist are us! 911 was an inside job. Rumsfeld even sent a 70,000 "Private Security Force" who answer to nobody. They are , well many of them are experienced in training the "Death Squads" for the many juntas in Latin America. Gee why would that particular experience be an asset.
Do you think they plan to leave? Think about this, the top 4 American oil companies just signed the rights to plunder Iraqi oil for at least the next 30 years. Before the invasion they discovered that Iraq in fact has billions more barrels of oil then previously thought ( hundreds of Billions) and natural gas to boot. Right in the heart of Baghdad there is massive construction going on. Obviously you can see the miles of cranes and work going on, yet no one seems to know exactly what is being built. It is officially being called an Embassy. In reality this will be Middle East HQ for the 4 Oil Companies that just secured their contracts.
This "EMBASSY" will be larger then Vatican City, staff over 5,500 plus it's own police, cleaning crews , technicians, etc.This building will be completely self contained, with it's own water system, electrical grid and independent air supply. When completed it will be hardened and boasts it will be capable to withstand a nuclear blast.. does this sound like the actions of a benevolent liberating army ready to leave as soon as order is restored?.....Mary.

Answer 5

Shi'ites and Sunnis have been fighting each other for a thousand years. Who appointed the US to suddenly step in and tell them to stop?

Talk of a unified Iraq is laughable. There has never been a free Iraqi state. The so-called Iraq of today was just the creation of the British Mandate after the collapse of Ottoman rule. Tribalism has been the pattern there since the dawn of history.

We had no business going in. We should pack up and leave now. Now. Not next year. Now. Yes, there will be chaos. Like there's not chaos now? What business is it of ours?

Oh, I forgot. It's such a noble cause that the Bush daughters have joined the Marine Corps, their patriotism motivating them to serve in dangerous combat like their brave father did in the Vietnam war. Ready to die to establish a puppet regime of their daddy's and Halliburton's choice in Baghdad. Oh yes indeed. (Pardon my sarcasm.)

Answer 6

I consider myself liberal. I'm nervous about the prospect of withdrawing troops and I'm nervous about staying in a war there is no hope of winning. Show me someone who knows what they're talking about and how to win this thing and I'll support them. Libs don't have any good solutions, but I'm not buying Bush or Cheney's arguments that they know what the hell they are doing.

We're in that state of the war where our team is losing and everyone wants to go home rather than watch their team get their butts kicked. If Gates (is that his name?) can get the Repubs and Dems to play nice with each other and come up with a solution that will benefit us all and not just their own hopes of getting reelected, we can succeed.

Answer 7

I think they are considering the repercussions of "surrendering", and the repercussions of staying and trying to keep their civil war from happening. And after looking at both reasons, they feel that leaving might just be the most intelligent decision.

We are currently over there policing their sects and trying to keep them from a civil war. When did it become our duty and responsibility to police the world? And after watching all of the news shows for the past week, I am thinking that not only the liberals feel that way, but the conservatives are seeing the same thing. I sat there and watched Pat Buchanan (forgive the spelling) say the same thing I just did, and last I checked, he was pretty damn conservative. Even Republicans are falling off of the "Iraq is good" bandwagon.

I have never seen the reason, especially when it was determined they had nothing to do with 9/11 or had no WMD's (the two reasons for going in). I never agreed with it, and I never will. I am not one of the "peace forever" hippie chicks. But I think you had better have a damn good reason for putting our men and women into a country to get their butts shot at. If Bush and his croanies think it so nobel, then why don't they go over and fight their war??

Sorry for my tangent. I think I answered your question in the beginning, so I earned my right to go off on that tangent. If you aren't satisfied, call my complaint department. 1-800-who-cares.

Answer 8

No Of Course Not. I have asked this question to Nancy Pelosi, Hank 'Ham Sandwich' Johnson, 'Dingy' Harry Reid. I have sent this request to each of their offices using their sites. This question seems to be one that an aid can send a canned response. Surely, to execute a plan you have a desired result and have done some research to to know what to expect. So, from my point of view the answer in NO. ABSOLUTELY NO.

Pelosi - Speaker of the House
Johnson - My representative.
Reid - Noisy congressman.


By the way these people work for me and they should at least acknowledge my questions or have their staff do so. Very unexcuseable.

Answer 9

I have thought of the repercussions and fear that things will only get worse, no matter how many troops we send over... I don't think it is worth the death of more of our American men and women. Especially since we shouldn't of been their in the first place... I have to point out that Iraq was contained when Clinton was in office, it is now a mess because of terrorist insurgents entering through unsecured borders... I would rather see our money being spent on homeland security, securing our borders and making America safe here on our own turf... I can see where the President is coming from, he has made a mess and needs to clean it up, but why should our men and women continue to die because of his war...

Answer 10

Hey dstr. Good to see you again. Keep fighting the good fight.
Keep on rocking in the free world.

Sooner or later we will leave Iraq. Sooner is better than later, since the longer we stay, the worse it gets.

Answer 11

Can you believe (dstr)? Boy talk about your angry Democrat.I was going to try to answer the question but I couldn't help but notice (dstr). I won't soon forget his ability to address a question so succinctly.Can't you see him turning red in the face. Can't you hear the growl in his voice. And how about the venom in his words. Hasn't he captured the essence of the pollution being espoused by the Democrats. I wish I new how to copy his crap so I could save it for all my friends.