Did you hear of the sinking of the Titanic?

Question

The "evil" patriarchy said women first on the lifeboats. And please no lectures on "what really happend" or herstory version of it or other conspiracy theories.
In this time and age if a ship were to sink with a limited number of lifeboats, who gets first dips ? Those who make it to the boats the fastest, is it still women first or something else ?

Answer 1

The questions are beginning to suggest a sad sense of desperation. You are finding less fodder for your silly rants so you are resorting to generalizations about customs from a century ago. The times were far different then. My dear little man, today it would be Deirdre who would be carrying you to a lifeboat and making sure that you were all tucked in warm and cozy, taking your meds. and telling you that those mean old feminists were not going to bother you anymore. Hopefully the delusions would subside.

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Answer 2

I've been on cruise ships, and they require that you attend an "abandon ship plan." By law, ships have to have enough lifeboats for all passengers and crew, so the possibility of there being a "limited number" of lifeboats, is very, very unlikely. But, hypothetically, I think it would be "every man for himself" today. Also, on the Titanic, the patriarchal social structure made sure that lower class individuals of both sexes (as well as children) drowned. So, I definitely prefer a more egalitarian method than the one in place back then.

EDIT--Robinson0--"Nice way to get around the question"...? I ANSWERED the question "hypothetically" (what other way is there to answer it?), just as you did. And I framed my OPINION about what happened on the Titanic with facts. The fact is a lot of POOR people died, (more than ANY other group) because of the social structure in place at the time that placed a greater value on the lives of the privileged. And since you're picking on MY response, you seem very willing to ignore the fact that that "patriarchal" social structure was, indeed, very "unequal," either way you look at it. As for your "brass balls" theory, did you hear about the recent sinking of a cruise ship where THE CREW (mostly men) took off in the life boats without even letting the passengers know what was happening? The passengers had to call for help, and save themselves. When asked why the Capt. and crew abandoned the ship and passengers, the Capt. replied that "the crew is not obligated to stay and help anyone." Just an example of "brass balls" in action.

Answer 3

The whole "women and children first" argument (not the children part) was patronizing, and based on the assumption that women were weak and needed more assistance than men. And for their part, the women ACTED like that was true, too.

Hopefully, these days there are enough lifeboats to accommodate ALL the passengers, so we wouldn't have to make those choices again.

Answer 4

how would he know the location where the titanic sunk. Its not like there is a memorial there. The ocean is enormous and he could easily be hundreds of miles from the actual site and still someone might say here is where the titanic sunk.. Plus I don't think its true.. explores have already been to the real site of the titanic and actually went to the sunken ship. They did not report any such sounds.

Answer 5

what happened was that women and children were first but noone in the second class got on a boat easily they locked off the compartment
there werent enough boats and people were not filling them up
it was because the first class prides themselves on etiquette and not brains
today if a ship was to sink like the titanic it would be mandatory to have enough lifeboats
if there werent there would be lifejackets under every seat
and even if people had to swim coast guard would be on them in 1/2 hour tops
its a lot safer today dont u think?
if a situation did arise it would probably still be women and children first because thats just general protocol among rescuers
this is because if they let men go with the women and children there will be people pushing to get on and chaos
no offence to us men but we get frantic when a situation arises unless we are trained or smart
no offence to women but men have a better chance of surviving on their own against the environment
those were generalizations of course there are women that are stronger than men and of course there are clear-headed men but on the average.....
and when the decision has to be made.....

Answer 6

"Also, on the Titanic, the patriarchal social structure made sure that lower class individuals of both sexes (as well as children) drowned. So, I definitely prefer a more egalitarian method than the one in place back then."

Nice way to go around the question... the point is more men still died and more women still lived.

The answer is, YES. Women and children would still be first because MEN (and usually even the younger teenage men) have the BRASS BALLS to give up their seats for women, give up their lives for women, and certainly to protect children. I acknowledge that mothers would probably also give up their lives for children; but women and children would STILL be first.

Answer 7

I hope there's enough room for everyone these days, as we know there were not enough boats in the titanic... however, children and mothers should always go first, why? children are the future, they are new in this world and deserve to stay, and mothers are the ones who will take care of them better than men, and even have mor kids.... men? well here's some problem, cause they are the working force....

uhm.........

Fortunately there are enough boats now.

Answer 8

If you read the recent history of new and updated ship sinkings, it is the crew in the lifeboats first and passengers dont know of the problem until they notice their socks are getting wet.

Answer 9

Mary Wollstonecraft, writer, A Vindication of the Rights of Women
"Women are systematically degraded by receiving the trivial attentions which men think it manly to pay to the sex, when, in fact, men are insultingly supporting their own superiority".

And it's 'D-I-B-S': who gets first dibs (not dips!).

Answer 10

Well womyns and children first is good. But seeing as chivalry is the only power we have, we must use it as much as possible. If they are trying to make out how nice they are to us, we must ask HOW NICE?! LOOK THAT OTHER GUY IS NICER I'M NOT IMPRESSED INFACT YOU ARE NOT DOING WHAT YOU SHOULD YOU ARE EMOTIONALLY ABUSING ME!! However seeing as it is patriarchal men deserve no credit for it - we're entitled to it.

And anyway if we've tried to make things equal and they do it of their own free will well it's not our responsibility, just because we shame them for it, or accuse them of abuse and throw them in jail, if they don't.

Basically what is equality is that the benefits of the patriarchy for women must remain and the obligations for men, whereas the obligations for women and the benefits for men must be EXPUNGED!!

So womyn's and children first and no credit for men, is fair because we are entitled to it.