would this be possible, black people?

Question

i'll start with a caveat: i understand the racist precedent that has been set for generations....it's not imagination; it's not overstated. slavery was treacherous /inhuman /disgusting /demoralizing /unimaginable that it could really happen....and yet it did. i understand that racism STILL exists among very (NOT ignorant) STUPID people.

That said, know that this question is being asked with the full understanding of the caveat: Is it possible for a black man/woman to be turned down for a job by a white man/woman without saying or suspecting racism? I work as a screener in an HR department and i conduct initial interviews and written tests for my employer to see if applicants will get to the next level in the hiring process. So often, i get a black applicant who writes on a third grade level at best. (it's like the popular vernacular is written down. e.g. "because" becomes 'cuz,' "that" becomes 'dat.') SIDENOTE: all applicants can't get to me without a college degree...

When i tell them that it is not going to work out, i'm accused of being racist. Now, i deny almost as many whites as blacks (another interesting sidenote would be to tell you that my wife is black), but the whites don't ever accuse me of anything. Is the cry of racism masking a person's inability to perform professionally? Are blacks simply hiding behind the racism excuse to cover up when that particular individual is incapable of succeeding? I'm getting very tired of being accused of bigotry. it's childish and inaccurate.

I'd love any opinions from anybody on this.

$0.02...here i am....the bigot again. (incredible) ....listen how is it prejudiced when i said "that particular individual?" did you not read that part or did you choose to just ignore it? i don't how familiar you are with the professional environment, but the MAIN task of the hiring side of an HR department is to judge whether or not someone is 'capable of succeeding' in the position in question.

LOUDMOUTH - i've been in HR for many years...i've never been told to hire someone based on skin color. i know that in some places, that DOES exist, but it's overstated and usually not the case. thanks for your response, though

huckle... - homerun, man. thank you. you're right.

Answer 1

I got turned down for a job...affirmative action. I'm still pissed. They hired him, the black guy with no qualifications, over me being far more qualified. The black folks in that shop hate him cuz he's a lazy POS. That institutional racism.

Answer 2

I am an HR director. I am also a black lady. My company consists of over 1700 employees. The problem is that I have so many people that are screened, but when they get to my office, I cannot believe that I am talking to the same person that has went through the process. I try and see all potential hires before that last final step. I have faced a different problem. When I have told some applicants that " I will keep them in mind>' Or if they are chosen that a departmental manager will contact them. They usually go on the affirmative action kick. Many white males have told me that if they were a minority or a woman that I would hire them on the spot. I have accused of being racist, chavanitistic, and a sell out. I think that overall people have a hard time dealing with potential rejection. In administrative positions I will accept a Bachelors but prefer a Masters, so usually they all do well in thier initial screening processes.Yet, by the time they get to me, it is like someone has played a cruel joke and switched applicants with me. I respect what you do, because I give my screeners a lot of heat and put them through hell(smile) Now I have heard some stories from my screeners that mimic yours. I have also had some screeners that have had some applicants that have difficulty testing. To answer your question. I think that most applicants are posed for attack when they are not hired. Regardless of race. They take it very personal.

Answer 3

OK, Feeble, here it is from a black man.

Yes, certainly it is possinble for a black person to be turned down for a job by someone white and the reason having nothing to do with racism. Now, with me acknowledging that, you need to understand and acknowledge this.

The reason why the paranoia may exist in these situations is because there are so many documented instances still today or the last 20 years where blacks are being denied jobs because they are black. Texaco...FORD, fortune 500 companies have been caught red-handed with policies in place that discriminate blacks and often women from promotions are jobs at all.
I think this fact is your dilemna than anyone elses in the sense you must ask yourself the counter question... Why does this continue to happen at the rate it does even today!
What I have noticed about many whites is that they can ask the question that proves their specific point but when it comes to asking the supporting questions that may disprove their points, suddenly they either forget or become disinterested in the topic or they conveinently say, ohh that was hundreds of years ago...can't we move on. The fact is let's take slavery and everything pre 1920 out of the argument and just concentrate on 1920 - 1970. Do you really beleive that all of those racists in between that time period just went away or died. Of course not, they are still hiring, firing and making decisions that may effect a black person's life.

To your other points... you are absolutely right, blacks tend to not put enough emphasis on education and that is a a valid point that hurts them in the work place but, you can't discount the recent cases of racial discrimination against blacks within the last 30 years alone. If you need unbiased evidence just google.

Answer 4

Jobs should be based on the ability of the person to perform better than others who seek the job, but they have a thing in place that sometimes forces companies to hire a black just to keep the ratio of minorities in the work place as not to labeled discriminatory , I forget the politically correct term as I am not one who is politically correct I just call it bulls**t , if the person is not qualified ,then they should not be hired ..on the other hand if the person is qualified ,but is turned down because of skin color but given a (lie) different reason for denial , then that is bulls**t as well Just be fair & Honest if someone does not qualify insted of just saying "NO" tell them why you made that decision , such as using ebonics (slang terms) on the application , maybe if people who are disqualified knew why they were turned down it could help some (not all) make improvements on filling out the next application, if you can do that ,and document it you should be fine , but no one is exempt from a lawsuit ,it could however determine the outcome , it is called" watching your 6" ( or CYA-- covering your a**)

Answer 5

i would honestly say there are people out there that do use that as a excuse but i wouldnt say all of them but then it all depends how you come across aswell these days people have to be so careful on what they say!
and be honest ive been on a few interviews in the past and i was told i was to old for a job i was 28 with alot of experience in retail meaning they didnt want to pay me the higher wage thats why the law as come in now where they cant say that to you so when it comes to racism i can understand in a way why some people may think that and there are people out there that do look down on you when you are trying your hardest to prove to them that you can do this job just as good as anyone else! interviews are never easy and never will be
where you say you get black people short texting them selfs as in because becomes coz its not just black people do that! everyone does that and if you have noticed worse its getting ok i know it shouldnt be done on a form to apply for a job but have you ever thought they dont know any different! and if you get any forms like that do want you would normal do write a letter saying im sorry you didnt make the grade!
its getting to be hard these days now on what is classed as racism and what is not!

Answer 6

If they (blacks or whites) can not complete a test with a passing grade, you should not promote them to the next level. If these are college educated people that are using the "cus" and "dat" on written tests, something is wrong. Make them sign a disclaimer before the test stating they understand that they will be graded on gramme, spelling and word usage. Then, when they fail, show them da tst wit da spelin airers. Writin lik yu tallk is haardr dan it loks.

College educated and writing on a third grade level. Sound like basketball and football players. Lacrosse players seem to be smarter. Race aside, if they have a degree and still write on a third grade level, they should have never been hired in the first place. There appears to be a real problem with our colleges when they are graduating people who still can't read and write.

Fialing eekwills firnig in my book.

P.S.: The spell check feature had a hard time with this response.

Answer 7

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Answer 8

Blacks love pulling out that card because they know it usually works for them, no matter how unqualified they are. I've been turned down many times for a job, losing out to a much lesser-qualified minority or foreigner. I would've played the race card, but for some reason, it's not in my deck.

One time, my company, took an application from a black but didn't hire him, as there were no job openings at the time. Two years later, he came back and sued us for discrimination because he found out that we just hired two new workers. It didn't matter that the new employees happened to be black, or that we didn't keep applications on file for more than six month. It had to be 'scrimination.

You know what happened? We had to give the bum two years back pay and hire him. When he showed up, he worked the morning and took off, never to be seen again. I wonder how many employers he pulled this scam on. Do you now wonder why HR fears the race card?

BTW, the way he found out about the new hirees was because the black, female county affie action official was conducting a vendetta against us, and told him. Then she pushed his legal action against us.

Answer 9

While racism is horrible for people to blame their race or color is just as horrible. Why can't people take responsiblitiy for they actions and the consequences of those actions. If you can't write don't blame it on race blame it on YOU not learning to write. How many time have you ever heard a white person scream racism because they were turned down for a promotion? It simply doesn't happen and yet it happens more times than not from other races. Where is personal responsbility???

Answer 10

White people stay playing victim. And you're the first people to scream that a black person (whos for some reason always ("inexperienced") was only selected because they were black and black people are privileged.Because white people are cry babies and don't like when anything doesn't go there way. Well at least white people like you.