What does make you so sure that the Holocaust happened or not?

Question

to be more specific, i'm not asking wither jews suffered or not, some information you gave me suggest that zionist jews helped the nazis to opress their brothers to immegrate to palestine: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/index.cfm
i got from the pictures guy below. what i'm talking about is the number of dead people 6 million, some said there were no 6 million jews there. some say gas champers were just used to get rid of dead bodies. they don'e deny the suffering, they deny the exaggeration, and they say they got threats to kill them for denying the holocaust. obviously unlike other issues, holocaust was used to support the existence of a jewish state in palestine and wiping the british occupied state of palestine from the map. and led to the suffering of 6 million palestinan refugee who can't go back to there granfathers land for 50 years.

why would be a person in his right mind to deny god but wouldn't be in his right mind to deny the holocaust. i care for the suffering of all humans, i'm more semite than jews, and i hate racist nazis. but why a philosopher can deny the existence of the whole world but not the holocaust, this is what i call madness, and brain washing by masonic media. still i don't deny the holocaust, i'm just asking.

sorry i can't remember the denials arguments, may be it was about the killing ovens not the gas things.

the nazis kept documents for their crimes to be used against them, that dosn't make much sense. what i remember is that the nazis leaders mostly denied the acusations in noremburg. the heart breaking theatrical sets is not much convincing too but i will go through them later to see.

Answer 1

Your question is very interesting and it seems to me that you know a lot about this case. The Holocaust as a word is indeed a creation of the media to support the establishment of the country of Islrael.The Holocaust as an action is a fact, however there were not only jews in the concentration camps but there were also Polish and Russians there. The menace againsts the jews in Europe was based on a conspiracy senario that only a few people know today. The unfortunate for the jews is that the initiators of this conspiracy were the Zionists and these gave orders for the killings of the jews. Hitler was acting as a pawn under their orders. The Second World war appears in history as dark page for humanity. It was a catastrophy and many innocent people (incuding Jews) died. However, what is not known is that this war was an underground war. A war that started between two of the most powerful masonic sects. The O.T.O (Ordo Templi Orientis or else the Illuminati) and the O.T.A (Ordo templi Atlantis - The black sect of the Atlants). These were the two heads of Zionism according to Alistair Crowley (A mason himself). The main idea of the Zionists was the creation of the country of Israel and in order ro achieve their aim they used their own innocent people as pawns or killed them. So The richest of all had the chance to immigrate to the land of hope at this period (USA) some of the middle class that couldn't afford to move to the US moved to the Palaistine and those that refused to leave were killed. How bad is this? How unfair is to those people that suffered and died for no reason? Sometimes i ask some good friends of mine that are jews, What's is the reason that Zionism exists today? Some of them don't even know and some others reply that the remaining idea is to build the teple of Solomon for the third time to fullfill the prophecies. How many more people will die under the orders of monsters that govern behind masks? Do you think that the New world order will make you live safe? I doubt it, cause that will be the most extreme case of dictactorship the humanity will experience, we will lose our identity, our culture and we will live under a continuous terror and be brainwashed by the media. We will be forced to use the prefix anti- to whatever the media don't like. However, the light of knowledge is more powerfull that the powers of darkness. And those that support the latter one will disappear once and forever when the time comes.
God bless you all.

Answer 2

It is only against the law in certain European countries to deny the Holocaust. Not elsewhere (like The United States for example).

As far was why I believe the Holocaust happened:

1) I had a close relative (my grandfather) who personally was one of the liberators of a concentration camp. I don't believe he was part of some big conspiracy. It is more plausible to simply believe a relative in this case.

2) There is a MASSIVE amount of historical evidence for it. I mean...6 million people don't just magically disappear with no historical record. That is like 1/1000th of the planet just disappearing! Or the city of Los Angeles just gone. Let alone evidence from survivors, perpetrators (the Nazis themselves), and people who liberated the camps and SAW what happened (and got video evidence of the mass graves).

Also:

Why do people have a giant hard on for denying the Holocaust and not Pol Pot, Idi-Amin, Rwanda, Stalin's 20 million that died under him, or Mao's estimated 10-30 millon dead?
Considering the historical amount of anti-semitism in the world, it is hard to not see Holocaust deniers as nothing more than anti-semites. Especially when famous modern Holocaust deniers are nut jobs like Mahmood Amenidijad (the president of Iran) who claims that Isreal need to be "wiped off the map" and "cleansed by fire" (a real friend of the Jews he is). Then he denies the Holocaust in the same breath and it is supposed to be objective and not political? Come on!

Answer 3

Visit the New Holocaust Museum in DC - I did last year. It's amazing. One exibit on display are the hundreds of shoes that the Gas Chamber Victims had to remove prior to being (falsely) lead into the Chambers. Hundreds and Hundreds of the original Shoes behind a secured glass display yet only a fraction of them. A very comprhensive video presentation of how and why and the result. How Hiltler came to power *step by step*. During the walk through you eventually come to a bridge and you stop and look up (about six stories) where there are literally hundreds of pictures (originals) of the victims that are hung on every square inch of the surrounding walls all the way to the top - and those are only a fraction of the victims (not enough wall space) but at the same time it's enough to leave you in awh! breathless even - of the enormity of the the whole drastic period in history.

The How and Why in detail but not to bore you with detail and you get "IT" - you leave "understanding" "IT" all comes togather and You are M O V E D and Yes - I cried - I left - tearing. So did everyone else.

Answer 4

I'm "so sure" because my father helped liberate Dachau and my uncle helped liberate Auschwitz. They saw the people still alive and the piles of the dead. They saw the crematoriums and found mass graves. I have spoken with Navajo WWII veterans who served in the European theater and liberated other death camps. I have represented death camp survivors and saw their ancient, faded tattoos. The Nazis were meticulous record-keepers. These records started becoming available only within the last 12 months or so. They also prove the genocide occurred. Further we know the Jewish population of major European countries before and after WWII. Where else did the millions of Jews (and gays and gypsies) disappear to? We know they didn't all immigrate. I'm puzzled by the answer that to deny the holocaust is a crime. That is incorrect in the U.S. It may be ridiculous, but we still have the freedom to make fools of ourselves.

Answer 5

There is A LOT of evidence that makes it absolutely clear that the Holocaust did happen. There are of course the accounts of the survivors and I've read many of them. And there are a lot of Nazi documents that prove that the Holocaust did happen and there is evidence given by the perpetrators in the trials. I've read some of this as well. If you are really interested in this and you have questions you can e-mail me and I will explain this to you in detail.

You mentioned "killing ovens not the gas things". There were no "killing ovens". The Holocaust victims were gassed, shot or starved to death and then cremated or buried in mass graves.

Answer 6

The Nazi's kept extensive documentation of their crimes, which was used against them at Nuremberg along with the extensive physical evidence

It's possible that the numbers MAY have been exaggerated but in the grand scheme of things, if your talking about millions of deaths, it was an atrocity and there should be no doubt that the Holocaust happened

Answer 7

You state "the gas chambers were used to clean up the dead bodies." Say what? Think about it now; why would anyone want to gas people who were already dead? And if you refer to the fact that they were made to look like showers, then why clean them if you're just going to cremate them anyway? Like most of these arguments, it makes no sense at all.
The number of people (Jewish or not) who died breathing in Cyclon-B or simply worked to death is not an estimation, as you seem to think. The Nazi's were meticulous record keepers, taking down the names of all those interred and put to death in the gas chambers (found intact by the Allies when liberating the camps.) The number of names comes to over six million.
And consider this; these records were never suppose to fall into our hands; this was just day by day record keeping.
Also, the ovens in every camp ran 24-7 for over five years incinerating the bodies and leaving a cloud of white ash over the compounds.
The Nazis had to change the guards in every camp about every three months, for this is as long as most of them could stand it. officials told the new ones that the old guards were tradiors, and thus, the new ones machine-gunned them into a common grave.
If you want to cast your lot with the likes of these; believing the words of an insane Iranian whose only claim to fame is making an as* out of himself, then I don't want you in my neighborhood.
Why this is even an issue, is beyond me.

Answer 8

I lived in (then West) Germany for five years, and we always took visitors to Dachau.

I have visited there seven times total, seen the "showers" that were actually gas dispensers, ovens for cremating corpses and the on-site museum with thousands of photos and other exhibits (including a movie that was quite hard to watch) that were preserved by the allies when they liberated the camp.

True, in Dachau the gassing/oven sequence had not yet been finally activated, but the evidence of intent, along with the evidence of actual atrocities at other camps leaves no doubt that this construction was for genocide.

Even so, their are mass graves at Dachau, full of the sacred remains of those who were worked and starved to death.

Just the photos taken by the allies are enough to make one want to vomit and to cry. Many do just those things in response to the exhibit.

The lone barracks left standing is unsettling when one pictures it filled to overflowing with people who were often forced to defecate and urinate in the crowded bunks they shared with others.

Those on the bottom bunks were rained on with human filth from three decks above them.

I must stop now...

Answer 9

How can we be so sure that any history happened before you were born? Documentation.

There are millions of names of missing jews. There is the documentation from the Nazi's that indicated they killed millions of jews, the pictures etc.

Answer 10

The sheer amount of documentation we have is staggering, oral histories, film images, written documents. We accept as historical fact events with far less documentation. If we deny that the Holocaust happened, we may as well throw out most of our history, since we don't have enough documentation.