Serious Question to Anti-War Democrats?

Question

OK I get it, the war is bad (or at least I think so based on what you keep saying). You have had control Congress for more than a month now. Why are we still there? Congress has the Constitutional power to end it today. So why haven’t they? Either it’s a good war and they are just complaining to hurt the President. Or, it’s a bad war and you are keeping it going it to hurt the President. Democrats, VOTE TO STOP THE WAR. This is not a game, either keep it going or stop it.

Answer 1

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....

You've got to be kidding!

We care about the troops but hate what they are doing! What could be more perfect than that?

Silly person, what are you thinking even asking such a question.

Vaughn - ah the House and Senate rules are way different. The House controls funding and they don't have the whole filabuster thing. You will see, Nancy will get her "non binding" thing this Friday. Funny thing, if she can get that, why not a BINDING thing this Friday to shut the war down?????

Answer 2

In order to properly answer this question would require a really really long explanation, of which I have niether the time nor energy. But I will make an attempt at answering this question as quickly as I can. You are correct war is bad. All war is bad. Ideally there would be no wars. However, when you consider why we are there in the first place, and that is because in 1991, then president Bush and the rest of the world decided what happened in Kuwait was wrong and Iraq needed to be stopped. Well, Kuwait was liberated and the Iraqi people were told to stand up to Saddam and remove him from power. The Iraqi people were told that if they did this the world, including the United States would be there to protect them. Well, they did, they stood up to Saddam only to be killed, and the Western world stood by and did nothing. The result of this false promise is "Terrorists." Consider how would you feel if the greatest nations in the world said they had your back and then as your family was killed off these nations did nothing. Now back to your question if the United States pulled out of Iraq now, and by now I mean immediately. Then what did we do? We toppeled the government, and attempted to set up Iraqi security forces. However it is quite evident that these forces are no more ready to maintain security in Iraq than a kindergarder is ready to take calculus. The end result of this is more terrorists and more than likely another war in 10 or twenty years in the same place doing the same thing. Except this time the war would be against a larger more powerful, better funded source. The reason the war continues is not to hurt the president or help him. The reason the war continues is because everyone knows, weather they attmit it or not, ending it too soon would be worse than staying the course for the long haul. Further I would like to add to all the people asking when will this war, war on terrorism end. and when will we leave Iraq. The war on terrorism will end when terrorism ends, and the time spent in Iraq will be much like the time we have and are currently spending in German, Japan, Italy, Japan, S. Korea, and any other country that we have gone to war with.

Answer 3

Simply put, the President has the power over the military and Congress has the power over the budget. If they attempt to cut funding, Bush is crazy enough that he might just send in our troops naked. Remember how hard it was for the Democrats to convince the Republican Congress to provide money for body and vehicle armor for these guys? Not to mention pay cuts, veteran benefit cuts...

Bush tried to hide the financial cost of this war by underprotecting the troops and the media and the Democrats brought this to light... now if the Democrats cut funding, they will be accused of not supporting the troops and wanting to see the terrorists win and all that crazy stuff you hear on this forum, for example, every day.

The fact is that the war can only be ended by a change in strategy. This is not something the Democrats can force Bush to do.

Answer 4

First of all--a MONTH? The Republicans in the Senate even stalled the debate over the non-binding resolution for a week of that! Things don't happen that fast in the real world; only on TV.

Secondly--I'll need to hear from someone better educated than I in this, but last I heard, Congress needs a vote with a larger majority than Democrats have to stop the war. The only thing they can legally vote on is to cut funding, at which point they will be accused of "not supporting the troops."

Answer 5

"Congress has the Constitutional power to end it today. So why haven’t they?"

ummm, I don't think they can dude..

Vaughn- Yes, that is what I've been hearing as well.. Even Pat Buchanon was on Fox news accusing Republicans of being cowards for refusing to vote against funding the troops, which would be the only way to bring them home without the pres... As long as the media holds this "not supporting the troops" myth over every Americans head, the war will not stop. And since it seems to constantly worsen, who knows when we'll finally get them back.. I hope Dubya's "plan" works though..

Answer 6

well... the problem is... you're assuming that the people you get your information from are telling you the truth...

IN TRUTH... and you would know this if you payed actual attention to the Dems... they first had their 100 hours of legislation, which had nothing to do with the war for the most part... so that's why it wasn't first and foremost

and the truth is, the majority wanted to set timelines and guidelines for the war... not stop the war immediately... a few wanted to stop the war immediately (odds are those are the ones you seen and were told all dems want this), but most didn't...

many of the dems that were recently elected were more moderate overall...

now, they haven't been in there long... so I am curious to see what they will do next...

and you're right... it's not a game... it's not something that should be brashly decided on and probably shouldn't be limited to only two options... all or nothing... it's much too imporant to limit our options...

Answer 7

That's a false dichotomy... so... neither.

Completely pulling out as of this second is a bad idea even if it is a "bad war." I'm sure that the people who are against the war would love to just wave a wand and have it so it never happened and we weren't in this mess but that's impossible... so they're working with what they've got.

So really the answer to your question "why hasn't congress stopped this war if it's bad?" is because it doesn't make sense to. I think you're trying to get me to conclude that indeed the war isn't bad because congress hasn't stopped it but that's not really a valid conclusion given that argument.

If you really want to make that argument I suggest you start from scratch... logically your argument doesn't fly.

Answer 8

Obama started an illegal war in Libya and is violating the War Powers Act by not seeking congressional approval within 90 days. In doing so he ignored the advice of the Pentagon;s General Counsel and the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel

Answer 9

Because Bush has so thoroughly mired the US in Iraq , the Democrats realize it is no longer a matter of getting out in a month or two. Funny how Bush has had years to "win" in Iraq and that was okay with you, but because it is taking longer than a month to get out, you accuse Dems of playing a game? How convenient. There is a system of checks and balances that any resolution has to go thru, stop blaming the Dems for the debacle Bush started. (BTW there are now anti-war Republicans too, what about them)
EDIT: Hillary voted for war like MANY others did because they were LIED to about the reasons for going to war, even Republicans are starting to disagree with the war, how come Reps never mention Hagel or Warner? Hmmmmmm

Answer 10

It's not that simple. We can't just up and leave. We have to finish what we started. If we leave Iraq in the state it is currently in, the country will become even more chaotic than it is now. Civil wars would break out, and another dictator would use military force to come to power. It would be just as bad, if not worse, as when we first entered. If you think America has a bad image now, imagine how bad we would look for pulling out before the country is more stable.

Answer 11

Democrats if they are really against the war, they can stop it since they are already in control of Congress.