Abortion is immoral?

Question

First off, I tend to vote Democrat and could not be more against the Iraq War. Visit some other discussions on this site. You’ll see that I have big issues with conservative political policies. Secondly, Lawful does NOT = Right nor does it = correct! Your argument for relative morality I will agree does make sense on a grand scale. Peoples’ sense of morals can differ and still fall within the acceptable societal norm. However, for specific issues, morals are not relative, but concretely static! One of those morals is the right to live your life without it being intentionally taken away from you by another human being. Imagine your reaction if you were having a discussion with someone and they told you, with all sincerity, that they didn’t think killing or ending human life was morally wrong. Would you consider this person moral? Would you still talk to this person? My bet is that you would not. An overwhelming majority of people would think that this person was off their rocker and would avoid them like the plague. Furthermore, I still get a kick out of fellow debaters trying to discount my argument because they say I’ve based my belief on my religion. I have done no such thing (I haven’t gone to church regularly in years). I’ve used deductive logic, with science and the basic moral principle that I just mentioned above concerning right to life as my benchmarks, to form my conclusion. Science tells us that at conception, a living human cell is formed. It begins a process called mitosis, which is the process of cell division, or growth. Science also tells us that dead cells cannot divide and grow. If these cells are human cells, and they are growing, then from the above we can logically conclude that we do, in fact, have human life. And if we can, from above, mutually agree that human life has the right to complete their existence without being eliminated in an intentional way (society’s basic agreement on right to life), then we can conclude that abortion is morally wrong. It’s not a hard argument to follow. I do appreciate your history lesson with regards to the Courts rulings (I’m aware of the Court’s rulings, thank you), but again, they don’t really apply in our discussion. I never argued that abortion was illegal, or that women didn’t have the legal right to have them done. What I did was say they didn’t have the moral right. What I did was call them immoral, based on irrefutable scientific fact, an irrefutable and binding societal contract to not end human life, and deductive reasoning. That’s actually ironic when you think about it. Here we have, as I said above, far left liberals arguing ethics and moral standards when it comes to economic and political matters, such as minimum wage fairness, characteristics of the free market, CEO golden parachutes, gaps in compensation between the elitists and proletariats, and desired government intervention during the oil price surge ( just to name a few). Yet, they can’t see how their own argument and position in this discussion is violating the most basic societal contract. There’s HUGE inconsistency on the left when it comes to a discussion about morals. But the real kicker is this: while there are pro lifers out there that are whacked and clearly have gone off the deep end, many pro lifers cite the same arguments I have, and we get accused of trying to set up a sectarian form of government to push our religious beliefs. And on the other hand, you have the pro choicers who contend that life doesn’t begin until birth. Of what are they basing that on in this MORAL argument? Science rejects their claim. So what then are they basing it on? The only thing that’s left is…faith.

Answer 1

You really have a rambling illogical explanation for your fantasy ideas regarding abortion. Nothing that you say is sensible or logical.
Nothing you say is irrefutable. Nothing you say has been thought out clearly or expressed with evidence beyond your own personal belief.
Humans are social animals. Those of us with the ability to reason know that if we bring in 1000 people to eat the rations designed for 10 people, then all 1000 will die. So we set up rules to protect the many at the expense of the few. We send soldiers to fight our wars. We sacrifice the few for the many every day. It is the real world. Your theory that life is the most important aspect of our existence fails, because if we put too many hands in the pot , we all die. What man has is --- the right for the many to live ---and the duty of a few to die. It is a very moral and honorable system that has built a very wise world. ----What you ask is suicide and genocide.
You would kill us all to save the baby of a rapist.
Rape produces children, to allow the children of rapist to come into the world, promotes rape. You are simply a person unable to reason. Or, you are a rapist, or the supporter of rapists.
Not allowing a woman to make her own decisions about her own destiny promotes fasism. Thugs such as yourself would run the world if we allow the state or people such as yourself to rule over the lives of women.
Scientist have no clue what human "life" is or what comprises the "soul" of a human. Only fools could claim that "human life" is nothing more than cell matter. Life is the force that makes us human, not the cells that make up our bodies. ( I really hate to use the words "fool" and "thug", however, they do fit nicely.)
Humans were born with a brain to use to determine when it is best for the human race to alter their personal "life" for the good of the race. If you take away the ability of a human to contribute to the wellbeing of the race, then you have deminished the power of the individual at the expense of the race.
I find it very dangerous that you are willing to diminish my life so that you may enrich your own life. You want rapist, and abusers to be able to diminish the ability of the earth to support the children that are planned and wanted. You want to force your beilef ---that you cannot even support with logic and reason---- on those of us that raised wanted and loved children. You want to bring into the world children that will not be loved or supported. You are a seriously ill person.
There is no right to life as you claim. Every person dies. No one lives beyond 120 years of life, not even you. There is however a continous spectrum of humans, one replacing another through out time. When one dies, another is born. However, using your dangerous ideas, a person has a "right to life" that has never existed through out history. Therefore, no person should be allowed to die. We would then be compelled to save every person on death's bed and support them until we no longer have the means to support ourselves or them. Right to life is a foolish wish. It has never existed and never will exist.
It is not moral to save one fetus to promote facism, rape, and an end of the many to save the few. You are a very immoral and foolish person. Perhaps you will some day understand why most people do not think that your position on abortion is very bright.
If you think you have even one logical proof that supports you position, please let me know and I will show you your error. Please answer without rambling. Number your fantasies so that I may answer without rambling.

Answer 2

I had an abortion when I was 20 years old - I woke up from the termination relieved, I have never a single day looked back on my abortion with regret - the biggest sense I ever had from it was curiosity of what might have been, thats it.

I'm not actively proud of what I have done, at the same time I am not disappointed in myself.

I don't feel moral or immoral - I feel neither of those things, the fact is - it was my mistake - it was my body and it was my choice to have an abortion.

why are you even trying to have the argument as to whether its immoral or not!?? whats your point?? OK so YOU think its immoral - fair enough sweetheart - congrats on your opinion!! as I said I don't believe my choice to have an abortion was either - it was just a choice.

I hope you feel purged now you have written your essay!! keep up the good work - your argument was descriptive, well written, excellent spelling and grammar, you made extremely valid points, it was an interesting post. I am glad I read it - I hope your glad I took the time to reply.

however should the time ever come again for me to have a termination (for whatever reason out of my control - I genuinely believe when I am pregnant again I shall be keeping it) - and I hope wholeheartedly it will not ever happen again, if I have to I will make the same choice as last time, I'll make the same choice as last time because at the end of the day its my choice to make, the procedure is available and its legal.

Regards

Grace x

Answer 3

I believe that the choice rest solely on the parents, and then the judgement of whether or not that choice is good or bad is left up to whoever they call god. Anyone can say it's wrong or right, moral or immoral, but if you believe in religion we don't get to choose whether or not that person goes to a higher or lower plane of exsistence. So in the long run it does no good hating them or liking them, let alone criticizing them for their actions.

Morally? Abortion was developed as a life saving procedure and not as a form of birth control and therefore should not be used as such. If we had laws that banned all abortion then we would helplessly watch as would-be mothers died on operating tables because we arent allowed to help them. People should be responsible enough to not become pregnant with children they don't want, and to keep them if they do so, and to adopt them if they can't.

The only form of abortion that should possibly be made illegal is Elective Abortion, medically abortion is defined as:

Spontaneous abortion (miscarriage): An abortion due to accidental trauma or natural causes. Most miscarriages are due to incorrect replication of chromosomes; they can also be caused by environmental factors.

Induced abortion: Abortion that has been deliberately induced. Induced abortions are further subcategorized into therapeutic, and elective:

Therapeutic abortion - 1. To save the life of the pregnant woman. 2. To preserve the woman's physical or mental health. 3.To terminate pregnancy that would result in a child born with a congenital disorder which would be fatal or associated with significant morbidity. 4. To selectively reduce the number of fetuses to lessen health risks associated with multiple pregnancy.

Elective abortion: Abortion performed for any other reason.

Answer 4

Your opinion that abortion is immoral is just that...your opinion. It is based on your knowledge, research, religion, etc. Voicing your opinion about this subject doesn't directly effect the subject.

Calling someone or a group of someones immoral is a totally different matter regardless of their actions.

It's one thing to support something that you believe in...it's another thing to attempt to pick a fight.

Support your cause, but try not to hurt people in the process. If you believe what you state...someone much more intelligent than you or I will take care of any judgement that is needed.

Answer 5

On a soap box much? No it's not moral to have an abortion. I've known people that have had them, though, and don't hate them for it. Some women feel pressured to do it by their boyfriend or family. That doesn't make it right, but hating them for it seems stupid. I don't have to answer for their sins, they do. Seems like it'd be un-Christian to hate them. "Love they neighbor as thyself" and all that.

Answer 6

I agree with you but I think the majority of people on here are not educated enough to have a clue what you are talking about. Whether they agree or not.

Answer 7

your question does not belong in the pregnancy section, and certainly NOT in trying to conceive, try Womens Studies or Law and Ethics. People really need to put their "questions" in the proper places or get kicked off of here.

Answer 8

You really would be more effective if you didn't drag on and on and on like you did, Seriously its very similar to someone who likes to talk just to hear their voice

Answer 9

No way was i getting through that....

Answer 10

my gosh! are you a politician?...yeah, abortions are immoral, I agree totally!!