Intelligent people to solve Italy's tollerance destiny?

Question

Hi all, I'm from Rome, Italy. I'm a 20yo gay boy and have come out when I was 14. My relatives and friends have accepted me and still love me. So I'd say it goes pretty well. There's only one problem: I live in the country the Pope lives in.
This changes our politics, our lifestyle, our values...almost everything, making expressions such as "against nature" very popular and abused ("Girls exposing their belly are against nature", "Abortion is against nature", "Science is against nature", and obviously "Homosexuals are against nature"). Everything they don't like it's against nature...
Now, since you gay and lesbian people have obtained a lot of things in the UK, can you try to answer some obsessions that fill the media?

"Will civil unions destroy the traditional family and how?"
"Marriage is just the union of a man with a woman?"
"Children need a father and a mother to grow up?"

You're probably smarter than our politicians and clergy.

DO I CARE?: where can i find this information?

Answer 1

Many of us live, lived or were born, in the country where the Pope lives.

Civil Unions will not destroy the traditional family. They have nothing to do with so-called 'traditional families.' Infidelity and divorce will destory the traditional, but not Civil Unions. But just let the Pope try to out-law divorce, again . . .

Marriage has been the union of one man with as many women as he can get for most of history. The ideal of one man/one woman is only accpeted in Europe since the period following the Romantic poetry of the 14th century. And in other regions, multiple wives are still common.

Children need at least one parent of responsible adult to help them grow up. Millions of children grow up in orphanges, because the church or state prevents their adoption by gay or single parents. This is the immorality of power, which 'hurts' children in order to somehow 'help' them.

Answer 2

I'd like to hear Il Papa's view on this :)

Civil Unions will destroy the opinion of the traditional family view of a father and a mother as the adult heads of the household.

Marriage is just the union of a man with a woman - is this the secular definition enshrined in Law or has it been influenced by the Church. As one of the Blessed Sacraments I think Il Papa should speak up (okay so they might not pick another of the Tedesci to be Pope if he did) and admit that Love is Love. Already the Archbishops in the UK House of Lords (The Lords Spiritual) stymied the opportunity for gay marriage in the UK.

Children need a loving Household in which to be nurtured and educated - that the love should come from a non-traditional couple is neither here nor there. Already the Catholic Primate for England & Wales (Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor) threatened to close down the Catholic adoption agencies when a law passed preventing the discrimination of gays.

It's not perfect here in the UK, either - un poco migliore I grant you.

Answer 3

I live in the UK and I know exactly what you mean about the Pope. The thing to remember about him is that he’s an old man, one who’s coming to the end of his life. The problem is when he dies they’ll just replace him with someone else.

What “Do I Care” said was true. We’ve had numerous news stories and documentaries (from UK and US) about how the Catholic Church has covered-up and obstructed the law when it comes to child molesting priests.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3157555.stm
that’s just one of the reports. If you want to watch one of the documentaries online go to this site
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15190.htm

What they say about condoms also isn’t true
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3844945.stm

This other site about abominations in the bible is also interesting
http://www.fallwell.com/selective%20quotation.html

In the UK it’s supposed to be 2 in every 5 marriages will end in divorce and in America it’s about 50% that divorce (that’s when people even bother to get married, lots don’t). So it’s not “gays” who’ll destroy marriage, straight couples are already doing that themselves. A civil partnership isn’t a marriage, gays are still fighting for the right to get married here (it’s just a legal partnership).

I don’t think kids need a mother and father. Look at all the millions of one parent families. Then there are all the fathers who spend most of their time in the pub and don’t see the kids anyway. What a kid needs is a loving home and there’s no reason a gay couple can’t give them that. Gay men normally have lots of female friends, so the kid will have male and female input into their life. My father was abusive and violent, I would have been more than happy if my parents had divorced when I was a kid (years later when I was an adult they did split up).

As for “marriage being a union of a man with a woman”, that’s only because they wouldn’t let same sex couples get married. If they had people wouldn’t view marriage as “one man, one woman”. The church doesn’t like people sleeping around, so you’d think they’d be happy that gays want to settle down.

Answer 4

Don't worry about the Pope, he's a liar and a cheat. Did you know the Vatican, including the Pope, is directly involved in the Catholic Church's paedophile cover-up? The Vatican also have the worlds largest collection of kiddie porn, a ''secret archive'' -and the cover up has involved at least 4 popes. Why haven't the Italian media reported on these facts? P.S. Information is in the following books:

Answer 5

Most everything above is correct. Just some added thoughts: Organized religion needs to keep the myth alive in order to maintain power. Actually, the Catholic Church is somewhat more tolerant of "natural biological urges" than the fundamentalist Protestant churches, in practice, if not in canon law. Funny how the religious people always use "nature" as their defense for their beliefs, when nature routinely refutes them.

Answer 6

No. No. No.

I live in Italy too. I feel your pain dude.