Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?

Question

is gambling really that bad?

Answer 1

yes, he is one of the 10 best of all time. all people have problems with drugs, drinking, ect. His demon was gambling, he knew his baseball, so thats why he bet on baseball. he had the edge

Answer 2

Without a doubt he is the greatest hitter of all time it will be a shame beyond belief if people like mcguire and bonds get in and he doesn't. He never fixed any games or bet on his own team heck he wasn't even a player it was while he was a coach. For that matter he got his records without substance abuse and he had a gambling problem just like all the problems the athletes now have. Now its just a question of when i think the people that get to make the decision about it now just wont allow it to happen he will get in when the times change and Selig is gone. it is a travesty that others are being inducted before him he should have gotten in long ago. Pete rose is a class act and a great ball player and that's what its about how did he perform on the field. The first inductee into the hall was a woman beater and a rapist but he got in just fine. look up 1936 inductees. i cant say anymore about how pitiful it is to not see him there with everything else that's going on in baseball right now

Answer 3

The Pete Rose fiasco is exactly the reason why MLB has been very reluctant about pushing to place a team in Las Vegas. There is an organization out there that's ready to go whenever they get the green light from MLB as far as an expansion or relocated team would be concerned.

Let's just say if MLB ever dropped the other shoe and placed a team in Las Vegas, then whoever is Commissioner of Baseball at the time would really have no choice but to revoke Pete Rose's lifetime ban from baseball; which would allow him to be elected to the Hall of Fame.

What got Pete Rose kicked out in the first place was his admission to the now-deceased Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti that he not only bet on baseball games, but he bet on Reds games while he was a player and later the manager. That is a cardinal sin in any sport.

All that notwithstanding, absolutely Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. His record on the field speaks for itself. However, as long as MLB remains disingenious with its stand against gambling; although Pete Rose and Commissioner Bud Selig have been talking off and on, I just don't foresee Rose's ban being lifted anytime soon, thus enabling him to enter the Hall of Fame.

There's every indication from what we've seen that baseball will remain firm about Rose's ban and the only way he'll be enshrined into the Hall of Fame probably will happen after he dies and he is enshrined into the Hall of Fame posthumously.

Answer 4

He should definitely be in the Hall. The league turns it's eye on drug use until recently, only giving out slaps on the wrist, then gives Charlie Hustle the shaft. He gave his life to the game and improved the game for MLB. If Rose bet on baseball games he had an influence on, he didn't do a very good job of it. Gambling filled a void that was missing from not playing any more. The holier than thou attitude of MLB and fans who think Rose isn't worthy to be in the hall sickens me.

Answer 5

NO! I love the Reds and I always loved watching Peter Edward Rose play, but I love baseball more. His actions can never be condoned by the game. In 1909, the Black Sox almost ruined the game. Gambling can undermine the public's trust in the authenticity of the game, and while we can be almost positive that someone like Rose would never have bet against his own team or "fixed" a game, the rules are clear and posted in every clubhouse. He made a choice and his actions clearly showed that he thought he was above the law. Rose has never been truly contrite and has become a caricature of himself. His repeated publicity stunts and involvement in gambling shows how sad a figure he has become.He is a pathetic and a disgrace to the city of Cincinnati and the game of baseball in general.

Answer 6

Depends on which Pete Rose you're asking about. What I mean to ask is are you asking about Pete Rose the player or Pete Rose the manager?

As a player, he definitely has the credentials and in all honesty, should be at least be reinstated for eligibility for the Hall of Fame, if not in it. Considering how the Baseball Writers Association of America (and other HoF voters) are so intent on focusing on statistical achievements, then why shouldn't Pete Rose be in?

Some of his stats:
Career Hits: 4,256
Career Games Played: 3,562
Number of seasons that he had 200 or more hits: 10
Career total bases by a switch hitter: 5,752
Only player in MLB history to play more than 500 games at five positions: 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), and RF (595)

Essentially, not only could he "beat the stuffing" out of a ball, he was extremely versatile in the field. Sure, his gambling issues MIGHT have affected his performance on the field, but Rose did confess to have NEVER bet AGAINST the Reds. Heck, who knows, but psychological motivation in regards to his betting for the Reds, may have spurred him on to perform better while playing.

And this point, directly from Wikipedia, is crucial:
"Baseball-Reference.com, which rates past and present players by metrics of Hall of Fame worthiness, rates Rose eleventh among all hitters all-time for Hall of Fame worthiness, with a score of 313 (100 is accepted as a good Hall of Fame candidate). His rating is the second-highest among those not already in the Hall of Fame, with only Barry Bonds (345) rating higher."

However, as a manager, he doesn't have the slightest chance. As a manager, one is held to essentially a different standard and Rose's betting on baseball during his managerial years clearly won't help his case for the HoF as a manger. Think about all the decisions involved in being a manager, and imagine how the integrity of every single game can be compromised. In particular, if Rose wanted a particular outcome due to bets he had placed, he could tweak the daily line up, pitching rotation, etc. based solely upon his betting doing the Reds organization and individual players a huge disservice.

Yet, after all this, Pete Rose should at get a shot to get into the Hall of Fame. While I personally don't like what he did as a manager and considering his almost pathological gambling on sports is a downside, as a player, Pete Rose was excellent. There is no question in regards to that.

In my opinion, in the long run, Pete Rose, whether in very old age or after his death, will end up in the Hall of Fame because of how the Hall of Fame is viewed (be in hypocritical or not): a statistical temple of baseball.

(Oh, and I've been a Red Sox fan since I was 6 years old, so there's clearly no bias on this essay of sorts).

Answer 7

Is gambling that bad? Yes. Gambling is potentially addictive, so don't even start.

Is gambling in baseball that bad? If it's gambling on baseball, yes. It's been illegal in baseball since the early 1920's. That rule is clearly posted in every clubhouse.

Rose was gambling on baseball, and in all likelihood, either gambling on his own team or, as manager, using his own team to erase very large gambling debts. He used his position as manager, with all of the various contacts within the game that that implies, as the basis for his gambling. In business, that's called insider trading, and the SEC slaps you in jail faster than you possibly image.

Pete Rose agreed to a lifetime suspension from baseball, for his actions, in 1989. He has been free to appeal that suspension since 1990, and has yet to even try to do so. The HOF rules say that no one who is banned from the game can be elected to the Hall. But even if he does appeal that suspension and win his appeal, there are far more people, including the writers who are the voters, who say no, for him to be in the Hall. And the Veterans' Committee will consist of many of his peers, men who didn't break the rules. His chances won't be much better there.

To skimdaddy and to everyone else, Remember the Black Sox Scandal of 1919. You've read about it. You've heard about it, You saw the references in "Field of Dreams". You saw the movie "Eight Men Out". You know the story, and you know why it's against the rules for ANYONE in basebal to gamble on baseball. That everyone includes Pete Rose, despite the fact that he never felt that it applied to him. In fact, that attitude, then and now, is the biggest single reason for his complete demise as a baseball person.

Rose will never be in the HOF, and he will have only himself to blame.

Answer 8

HE BROKE THE RULES!!! No, he does not belong in the hall of fame! He knew going in what would happen if he gambled. How many times does this question have to be asked?? If he had come clean from day one it might have been a different story, but he lied for over 15 years!!!! He agreed to a life long ban from baseball. He didn't have to agree to anything!! Personally Rose is a dirt bag. Not a very nice guy. As a player he got the most of his talents. The point is unless he is reinstated none of this matters. Bud Selig has dropped the ball in many areas concerning the integrity of baseball. He doesn't seem to want to address important issues. As long as he runs the show nothing will change.

Answer 9

I was never a fan of Pete Rose. However i think he should be in the hall of fame. It should be based on what he accomplished on the field. At least what he did was apparently without the help of performance enhancing drugs. Gambling can be a very destructive habit but it should not be held against his feats on the field.

Answer 10

Absolutely. He didn't bet against his team and he never did anything to throw a game. I've never seen anybody put as much effort and heart into winning each and every game of a season as Pete Rose.

Answer 11

Pete Rose should be in the hall in the section that has remarable acheivements. He should NEVER be elected into the hall as a permanent member. by gambling he compromised the integrity of the sport. Baroid Bonds should NEVER be elected either because he was doing something illegally. Ignorance isnt an excuse. however, he should be mentioned because of the stats he put up.