Is it true that Greeks origin from the Ethiopians ?

Question

The expertize of the Spanish Accademy shows enermouse similarity between HLA genes of the Macedonians and other Mediterannean peoples. On other hand, greek blod is very similar to some African tribes. Who is an alien in Europe ?

Answer 1

Ive red that Greeks are genetically related to sub-Saharans.
Results show that Macedonians are related to other Mediterraneans
and do not show a close relationship with Greeks; however
they do with Cretans (Tables 3, 4, Figs 1–3). This supports the
theory that Macedonians are one of the most ancient peoples
existing in the Balkan peninsula, probably long before arrival of the
Mycaenian Greeks (10) about 2000 B.C. Other possible explanation
is that they might have shared a genetic background with the
Greeks before an hypothetical admixture between Greeks and sub-
Saharans might have occurred. The cultural, historical and genetic
identity of Macedonians is established according to our results.
However, 19th century historians focused all the culture in Greece
ignoring all the other Mediterranean cultures present in the area
long before the classical Greek one .

Answer 2

Culturally, that cannot be true, unless an entire cultural group can give up its ancestral languages and take on another set of languages without leaving any traces of their ancestral languages.

Greek is part of the Indo-European language family, and it does not have "Ethiopian" loan words or derivatives that are not also present in neighboring languages. (American English, by contrast, has many Central and West African loans and derivatives that are not part of, say German or Dutch, which are closely related to English. This reveals the role of Central and West Africans in shaping American English even as they adopted it as their primary language.)

The languages of modern Ethiopia are from the Afro-Asiatic family (kin to Ancient Egyptian, Hebrew and Arabic) or from Nilo-Saharan languages (ranging from eastern Sahara through the African Great Lakes region). The "Ethiopia" to which Herodotus referred was - I recall - home to speakers of an Afro-Asiatic language ancestral to either Amharic or Tigrayan of today.

I'm sure we all have genes that can be traced to African ancestry. Greece was close enough for substantial intermarriage through millenia - maybe not always directly, but certainly by constant, slow migration.

The reference to Ethiopian ancestry among Greeks (as distinct from Macedonians) may have come from a white supremacist site: http://www.white-history.com/greece.htm. While I don't recommend reading it, you might find it interesting to note who you're agreeing with.

Here's an equally interesting look at how the ideas of races in humans fare under scrutiny: http://www.racematters.org/samemachinedifferentcolors.htm.

We're all mixed - only some of us are mixed up about it.

Answer 3

I can not understand why you people of Fyrom want to forget your slavic identity!
It is not bad to be slav,you know.
The greeks are greeks,the slavs are slavs,so what?
I , also can not understand what you try to prove,we all know who greeks are.
If you want my opinion,you are a very desperate person (you are the same obsessed person with Greece).
By the way, I totally agree with the 2 persons above.

Answer 4

(First of all don’t use as an insult the African origin! Are you racists?)
Do you refer to the fake research that was originated by Slavic/Albanian-Macedonia?
For your information the SPECIFIC RESEARCH IS HIGHLY DISCREDITED AND EXTREMELY CRITISEZED AS WITH NO SCIENTIFIC VALUE! (They even claim that Japanese are of sub-Saharan origin!!!!)
Let’s see the real facts behind that “research”!
There is a study from 2001 by Arnaiz-Villena (condacted interiley in Slavic/Albanian-Macedonia with the pareticipation of Slav-Macedonian scientists). Against any ethics, no Greek scientist participate and no Greek genetic material was requested by Greek laboratories)
This “reserch” maps 28 world population based on the HLA DRB1 locus, concluding that "…the Greeks were closely related with sub-Saharan ethnic groups now residing in Ethiopia, Sudan, and West Africa (Burkina Faso)." Later that year, the same data was used in another study by the same author published in a different journal. This second paper dealt specifically with the relatedness of Palestinians and Israelis and was subsequently retracted as unscientific.
Shortly after, three respected geneticists - Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch - countered this strange reserch by pointing out the scientific limitations of Arnaiz-Villena's methodology.
They stated that "Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one LIKELY TO HAVE UNDERGONE SELECTION, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is UNREALIABEL AND UNACCEPTABLE practice in population genetics.", making specific allusion to the findings on Greeks (among others) as "ANOMALUS RESULTS, WHICH CONTRADICT HISTORY, GEOGRAPHY, ANTHROPOLOGY AND ALL PRIOR POPULATION-GENETIC STUDIES OF THESE GROUPS”
And a very interesting passage
“HLA genes ARE NOT USED AS A VALID MAESURE to determine ancestry since HLA genes, which control immune responses and are subject to environmental selection. This means they're NOT RELIABLE IN DETERMING ANCESTRAL AFFINITY, as using them thus can find bonds of kinship between Greeks and Japanese, as well as between Nordics in Iceland and Negroids in the Congo!!!”
(Department of Genetics, Stanford University School of
Medicine, Stanford, California 94305, USA Alberto Piazza
Department of Genetics, Biology and Biochemistry,
University of Torino, Via Santena 19, 10126 Torino, Italy L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza
Department of Genetics, Stanford University School of
Medicine, Stanford, California 94305, USA)
As for real Greek geens the genetic researches from credible scientists clearly state:
” In a sample of 125 Greeks from Thessaloniki and Sarakatsani, 2 Asian-specific mtDNA sequences (M and D) were detected (1.6%). No sub-Saharan African genes were observed in this population. Therefore, Non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Greece is very low, as elsewhere in Europe.
(Richards et al., Am J Hum Genet, 2000)
And
“In a sample of 366 Greeks from thirteen locations in continental Greece, Crete, Lesvos and Chios, a single African haplogroup A Y-chromosome was found (0.3%). This marks the only instance to date of sub-Saharan DNA being discovered in Greece. In another sample of 42 Greeks, one sequence of the Siberian Tat-C haplogroup turned up. Note that other studies with larger sample populations have failed to detect this paternal marker in the Greek gene pool (e.g. Malaspina et al. 2000; Weale et al. 2001), and that its frequencies are actually much higher in Scandinavian and Slavic populations.
(Di Giacomo et al., Mol Phyl Evol, 2003;
Helgason et al., Am J Hum Genet, 2000)
In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European and Mediterranean populations based on 120 loci (view MDS plot). Then, Ayub et al. 2003 did the same thing using 182 loci.
(The History and Geography of Human Genes
LL Cavalli-Sforza, P Menozzi and A Piazza
Princeton University Press)
And as described in National geographic in the Genographic project (atlas of the human journey): “Today haplogroup H comprises 40 to 60 percent of the gene pool of most European population. In Rome and Athens for example the frequency of the (haplogroup) H is around 40% percent of the entire population! And it exhibits similar frequencies throughout Western Europe!”
(Is national Geographic lying ?!)
The completely discreted reserch continues to be cited in the Internet, by White Supremacists, Afrocentrists and Slav-Macedonian nationalists (like the above asker) who have political motivations to relate ancient Greeks (or modern) to black Africans. However, it's no longer referenced by population geneticists in contemporary research, mainly due to the criticism of Cavalli-Sforza et al.
Next time te asker (Solun or whatever his ID is) should make some basic reserch and should stop use fanatic and unscientific material!
(Please user Solun(or pavl or Gone) stop using fake id's!! Use only one!!)