If Homosexuals are allowed to legally Marry?

Question

I would like to ask if Homosexuals that want to Marry if they will also want to change the spiritual aspect of a Marraige Ceremony.

Will they adhere to believing sex outside of marraige is (Fornication) is wrong? If Civil Unions are not enough for homosexuals how will they change the entire basis of *Marraige* which has truly been a union to protect children, so children have the benefit of hopefully being brought into the world by a loving responsible Mother and Father and both parents have a duty and obligation to raise that child and providing for that child until adulthood.

Why isn't a Civil Union good enough?

Answer 1

Marriage is a legal contract that two people enter into pledging their love for each other and deciding that they want to spend their lives together.

My question to you is do you ask the same thing to heterosexuals? No, you assume that all heterosexuals adhere to these same rules. I know plenty of heterosexuals who have affairs outside of marriage. I also have an ex-husband who does not support his children.

Look, America has already proved Separate yet Equal does not work or did you miss the class that showed that African American schools were not the same as White schools.

Everyone regardless of race, creed, religion, and sex deserves equal rights. The constitution of the US does not take away rights neither should we.

Answer 2

Let's break down your questions:

Would you want to change the spiritual aspec of the marriage ceremony?

This is already happening. There is no specific marriage ceremony out there. Everyone believes different things so the ceremony itself would be determined on the beliefs of the couple getting married.

Will you adhere to the belief that sex outside of marriage is wrong?

I think most same sex couples believe in monogamy, but that doesn't mean there aren't couples who allow for an open relationship because that works for them. The same goes for straight couples. Many get married, but still allow their significant others to see other people (we've all heard of swingers). It's the preference of the couple in both same sex and opposite sex relationships.

If Civil Unions are not enough for homosexuals how will they change the entire basis of *Marriage* which has truly been a union to protect children, so children have the benefit of hopefully being brought into the world by a loving responsible Mother and Father and both parents have a duty and obligation to raise that child and providing for that child until adulthood.

You may want to check you definition of marriage. It's not defined for the sole purpose of children. It's described as two people making a vow or pledge themselves to one another. Has nothing to do with children. Legally, yes it gives you many rights that one obtains through marriage especially when children are involved. Again, it's dependent on the couple. If the choose to have children straight or gay they'll want to raise them in a loving and nuturing environment. Some couples may choose not to have children (I know many straight married couples who don't) so it's a choice that they will make together.

Why isn't a Civil Union good enough?

A civil union isn't good enough for many LGBT people because you're still saying that I am not worthy enough to use the word marriage to describe the commitment I have made to the person I want to be with. It's still categorizing one group as less then equal from another. Civil unions may not also include ALL the rights that a married heterosexual couple may have automatically when they commit to one another.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

Answer 3

Marriage has only the "spiritual" aspects to it as interpreted by those that believe in such things. There are many Christian denominations that have performed Marriages of same-sex couples and blessed them. Has that affected your marriage? Has it made your bond less "holy"?

How a Married couple defines their relationship is frankly not your concern. Sex outside of marriage is neither right nor wrong, it is simply an issue that may be used if a couple seeks to divorce. Unless one member of the couple actually wishes to use infidelity as a reason to divorce, it has absolutely no legal standing or ramifications. You really should look into the LAW and quit trying to read your religious beliefs as having some sort of legal ramifications. They Do Not.
The entire basis of marriage is about Property rights and Next-of-Kin/Inheritance, not children. Children have those rights protected whether a child's parents are legally married or not.

Civil Unions in the United States do not provide all the rights afforded to Marriage and are not federally recognized. Even if Civil Unions DID provide 100% the same rights, to create and establish a Separate but Equal institution creates segregation and is Unconstitutional.


You really need to separate your mythology from the facts of the matter. It shows your bigotry.

Answer 4

A Civil Union isn't good enough for the same reason that separate facilities for people of different races aren't good enough - segregation creates and fosters inequality. Calling a same sex marriage something other than marriage devalues that marriage in relation to normative, heterosexual marriage.

As for the issue of sex outside of marriage, "they" are not some monolith. Some gay couples are sexually monogamous, some are not. I would guess that more queer couples are openly, consensually non-monogamous (as opposed to cheating on each other) than are straight couples, but there are indeed non-monogamous married straights (swingers, polyamorists, people with open marriages, etc.)

As far as children are concerned, gay couples do have children and will continue to do so whether or not gay marriage (or marraige as you put it) is legalized. Discrimination against gay couples does not help some hypothetical children that will have to endure the stigma of being raised by two loving parents of the same sex - it only hurts the real children that real gay people have.

Answer 5

it doesn't cover us legally/ financially/ respectfully in the same ways. And who says marriage was set up for the sake of children? Should we annul the millions of marriages that do not result in children? I don't think so either. Marriage is a commitment between two people and acknowledged by a religion. All unions should be civil unions recognized as equal by the gov't and each church should have the right to acknowledge these unions as marriages not. Why are many Christians suddenly so willing to let the government control what they can and cannot do?

Answer 6

You do realize, don't you, Marie, that right now, there are heterosexuals who get married in a non-spiritual way (I've seen men and women get married in front of a justice of peace), I've seen TONS of straight people disregard the concept of pre-marital sex being wrong, and there have been so many sad, sad cases of children being harmed in households by heterosexuals linked together by the union of marriage.

Two men or two women, just like a lone woman or a lone man, or a community, or elder siblings, or anyone, really- can be loving and responsible caregivers to children, having a duty and obligation to raising that child and providing for him/her until childhood.

Why isn't a civil union good enough? Why wasn't 'separate but equal' facilities for blacks and whites good enough way back when for Brown vs. The Board of Education? No second class citizenry; we are all entitled to the right to marriage by the Consitution.

Answer 7

In my experience, most straight people fornicate. Since when was it assumed that they didn't? I know more gay virgins than I do straight virgins...

As far as marriage being to benefit the child...marriage has relatively little to do with children. I know just as many straight people who are not planning on having children as I do gay couples.

Also, just because children are born into a marriage of a man and a women, does not mean that they are going to benefit from it. Actually, I know a great deal of children of straight parents who have suffered abuse in all it's forms, as well as struggled through divorce, while I don't know a single child of a gay couple who have...not to say it wouldn't happen, just that it isn't any more likely. Rather it may even be less likely.

The truth of the matter is, gay couples have fought so hard to be allowed to marry, that it is sacred to most of them. While straight couples often take it for granted.

My question is, why are straight wiccan couples, or straight athiest couples (which for the record, I have no problem with either), allowed to be married with no problems, yet gay couples have had to fight so hard? That doesn't make any sense to me... Everyone and anyone who wants to be married in the eyes of God or otherwise should be allowed.

Answer 8

Honey, you're asking the same question using different words in different posts.

Your idea that "marriage" is a union to protect children is ludicrous and naive. Also naive is your presumption that parents are going to do a good job of raising and providing for their children. Have you even looked into the statistics for one parent abandoning the family unit and a single parent and children having to fend for themselves? Life is NOT a "Leave It To Beaver" existence.

Answer 9

I'm not sure I understand your question.

its up to a church is they want to recognize or host a wedding.
and religion has nothing to do with marriage. marriage is a legal contract.

is the civil union has the same benefits as marriage then its better than nothing. but there is still an issue with one person being able to call it marriage and another having to call it a civil union

Answer 10

Spiritual? Are you crazy? You're talking about a contract, a legal sheet of paper! And nothing has to be changed.
Straight weddings are also failure because of betrayal, alcoholism and pedophilia. As if straight people were perfect!
This question is just ridiculous, nothing will change, since gay people who want to marry also want to be together for their whole life and raise a child in a loving environment.