is the hall of fame a joke?

Question

if the player with the most hits in baseball pete rose also know as charle hustle is not in the hall for a crime against baseball. this should be a crime agaist all baseball fans. if they dont like him fine. if they dont want him in baseball fine. but to say he is not going in the hall of fame is an show of force by baseball millionaires. so all baseball players out there play nice all of your life and maybe, if you are luck if they like you to get in.broke babe ruth record,mvp of 3 world series to bad we found out about this or that.

it is what it is pete great player hall of fame,bad personal jugdements probable not a great person. are we electing the player or the person to the hall?

great answer longlostm...and i just used pete as an example to prove a point. not everyone can throw up numbers like those

Answer 1

Year G AB R H HR RBI 2B 3B BB OBP SLG AVG SB

1919 8 32 5 12 1 6 3 0 1 - - - - .375 0

The above stats are those of "Shoeless" Joe Jackson from the 1919 World Series. His .375 average was the highest, and he was perfect in the field. His HR was the series' only HR. Yet, he, along with 7 of his White Sox teammates, were banned from baseball in 1921 for throwing the 1919 Series against the Reds (even though a court acquitted them). A ban from baseball means a ban from the Hall of Fame as well. Joe finished his career with a .356 average, third highest all time, and had such a perfect swing that Babe Ruth himself admitted to have copied it.

Joe and his teammates were paid by gamblers to throw the Series. Joe probably took the money, then ignored the rest, and had a marvelous series. His numbers are Hall worthy......yet, he is not enshrined.

Which leads to Pete Rose. The game's all time hits leader. Admitted, albeit 16 years after being banned, to having bet on baseball games involving his own team. A lifetime ban.

Does he deserve it? Besides the point, really. Hall of Fame voters DO look at the person as well as the stats-----and, in the most recent voting, did not elect Mark McGwire, who is believed to have used steroids to inflate his HR numbers. So, a hard look at Pete would no doubt occur, and perhaps he would not even be enshrined even if he was eligible. But, if Pete ever were.......Shoeless Joe has to be as well. In the interests of consistency, even if it is not entirely fair, as long as Shoeless Joe is banned, Pete Rose must be. Lift the ban on Pete, and the ban on Joe must be as well----which I am for. If their personas were indeed such a detriment to the game, let the Hall of Fame voters decide. So, my answer is this......Shoeless Joe SHOULD be in the hall, so, to be consistent, Pete should be eligible.

Answer 2

The reason Pete Rose isn't in the Hall Of Fame is because of his crime against baseball. It isn't because nobody likes him its because he disrespected the game. It doesn't matter how many MVP trophies or hits you get. The whole point of baseball is the for rooting for your team and being behind them every step of the way. And Pete Rose broke that rule by throwing a game and was punished. He lost a game just to make some money that isn't right and he shouldn't be rewarded by being inducted into the Hall Of Fame. If the MLB allowed that then anyone could do anything and still get into the Hall Of Fame for the wrong reasons.

Answer 3

First remember Rose did this to himself!
It is the character hall of fame too, the mission statement of the hall of fame is:
The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum is a not-for-profit educational institution dedicated to fostering an appreciation of the historical development of the game and its impact on our culture by collecting, preserving, exhibiting and interpreting its collections for a global audience, as well as honoring those who have made outstanding contributions to our National Pastime.

Pete Rose did not honor the game, or preserve its reputation. He violated the rules of the game. Its his fault, and he now has to pay with the consequences. Not to mention, baseball had given him an out if he had just admited to it years ago, yet he continued to lie about his gambling. The fact is you elect the player and the person, the hall of fame is an honor and it should go only to the most derserving, Pete Rose did wrong, plain and simple. He should also not be let in because of the haircut that would be on his bust

Answer 4

Pete Rose broke the rules repeatedly. He did so in a manner that, if he were in the business world, would have had him serving a lengthy prison sentence for insider trading.

Rose is serving a lifetime suspension from baseball for these actions. He can appeal that suspension any time, but refuses to do so. The rules of the Hall of Fame say that anyone serving such a suspension is NOT eligible for enshrinement.

The crime against baseball fans, the crime against baseball itself, would be to allow that cheating, lying )$%*$)*% into the HOF.

Why do so many people find any part of this so very, very difficult to understand? Why is it impossible to understand that when Rose, or anyone else anywhere and any time, choses to cheat, they are only cheating themselves? That includes the fact that Rose cheated himself out of the HOF.

Answer 5

First,I'd like to address another answer.Joe Jackson maintained his innocence in the Black Sox scandal.There was a trial involving the players named and they were acquitted of the charges,and Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis,who was commissioner,banned the players involved in the scandal.He did so without regard for guilt or innocence,of which Shoeless Joe maintained until his death.Pete Rose on the other hand,admitted his guilt and accepted his banishment as part of his punishment.There still remains some question as to the extent of his gambling on his teams' games,though,as he has been less than forthcoming with the truth.
Now for the question at hand.Yes,the HOF has become something of a joke.Players with mediocre stats are elected by the BBWAA at times because they were good to the press.Other players,who were less media-friendly(Gossage and Rice come to mind)are not elected.And it is the writers and not the owners who elect the players into the hall.The late Buck O'Neill should have been enshrined during his lifetime if only for his ambassadorship of the game.There should be a baseline of achievement to be considered and I feel that the moral compass of the players' on field actions;steroid and drug use included,should be part of the criteria.There doesn't need to be an induction ceremony every year.Sometimes there just aren't players who can be considered to be among "the best of all-time".

Answer 6

I think Pete should be in the hall too. But he did break the rules. However he never bet that his team would lose so I think there should be an exception. Its not like some of these guys doing steriods which this form of cheating directly effected the out come of the game and any records they broke. Atleast with Rose he actually tried harder because he had money on the line. So he should definitly be in the hall!!

Answer 7

is the hall of fame a joke? im glad you asked that. i have personally become more and more disappointed with the way baseball "heroes" are bieng shunned by the all mighty cooperstown. pete rose was baseball! the only man with over 4000 hits isnt "allowed" in the hall? give me a break. last i knew, the hall of fame was designed to recognize the best of the best. now, yes pete rose broke the cardinal sin by betting on baseball, but can you look past the fact that he broke cardinal pitching staffs for over ten years? as long as pete rose isnt in the hall it is a joke.
one last thing on the hall. i personally dislike him, but if barry bonds passes hank aaron on the all time list, steroids or not, you have to let him in. like i always say. steroids dont make you able to hit the ball, just helps hit it further.

Answer 8

Yeah, i actually revealed this same element asking "who thinks the RRHF sucks?" in basic terms the day previous to this. Madonna hasn't ever contributed something to rock and has not something to do with it (nor does Grand carry close Flash and the livid 5 - nonetheless I do like GMFFF - ). yet anyhow, the RRHF is judged entirely by technique of individuals and previous individuals of the Rolling Stone, and they have severe biases to what they think about rock music that is nice for the RRHF. they have not in any respect taken into consideration the persons'S needs; although. Nor in basic terms the obtrusive obtrusive bands that could be in there. KISS, Iron Maiden, The Misfits, Ted Nugent, Judas Priest, loose, Blue Oyster Cult, useless Kennedys etc have not made it to the RRHF.

Answer 9

Pete Rosw committed the greatest crime against baseball that there is. He knew the rules and chose to break them, and he is suffering the consequences. I personally hope he never gets re-instated.

Answer 10

Absolutely. He should be in the Hall of Fame. This is the Baseball Hall of Fame not the character Hall of Fame.