Seriously. The time to debate why, when, how, etc. is over. You would think as Americans they would rally around our soldiers and do all they can to win! What happened between today and the WWII generation?! This crap would never have happened during WWII. All this debate over Iraq could have easily gone on during that war - should we be fighting, etc., but it didn't. Thank God this dumb internet wasn't around. The entire country sacrificed everything to win. We need to do that again. Boil it down. Are you an American or not? That's the only debate any liberal should be having - with themselves.
2007-02-09 13:28:39 · 26 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Other - Politics & Government
I'm a Democrat, a Christian, an ex-liberal-now-moderate, and a US Army veteran from OIF2.
Like all Americans, in 2003 when the President gave his State of the Union address, I was very impressed. He had names, dates, places, and all manner of specifics. On top of that, he claimed the CIA and MI6 confirmed the intelligence that Saddam Hussein wanted and attempted to get enriched uranium from Nigeria. Who else saw that speech? Very impressive, indeed. Yet we were all tricked. Because as the weeks (and years) have dragged on, no further evidence of nuclear weapons or any other illegal weapons have been found.
When I told the Iraqis I was hanging out with one day while in Baghdad that we hadn't come to save them from Saddam, we were actually there because we believed they had nuclear weapons, their eyes became as big as dinner plates.
From that ill and shaky start afterwards, and the failure to secure the peace, I have been against this war. We have wasted precious resources and destroyed scores of lives in what can only be viewed as one man's vendetta (the President's) to eliminate another man, a man his father couldn't reasonably get rid of while he was President.
Iraq cannot be won militarily at this point. I was well-aware of the slide towards the current civil war between Shiites and Sunnis as early as the summer of 2004. The solution to peace involves diplomacy on all sides and a national program of reconciliation. The current plan to add about 21,500 troops into Baghdad will be largely ineffective without diplomacy. But conservatives refuse to acknowledge because of the same muddled, illogical thinking that caused the posing of this question.
Like all like-minded liberals, I question the pretext the war was based on, and see that we are already losing by attrition, and just want a different solution. Calling anyone "not American" is hate speech.
Still don't believe me? Contact me via e-mail, and I can put you in touch with an Army recruiter today. After 9 weeks of Basic Training, and 10 weeks of Advanced Training, (or 14 weeks total if you want to be combat arms) you will be sent to a unit that is deploying soon to Iraq, if not sent directly there. That would be some support and you'd be "sacrificing everything". You'll see what I've seen then.
I dare you.
Skylor Williams
2007-02-09 14:55:24 · answer #1 · answered by skylor_williams 3 · 5⤊ 0⤋
don't liberals want us to win in Iraq?
-names of liberals who want us to lose? no, none? oh well, I tried. I just thought you might be the one liberal-basher who might have some sort of evidence to back up his claims. Silly me lol.
even Americans?
-born in America. check.
between today and the WWII generation?!
-WWII we were attacked by the Axis, we attack the Axis
-Iraq: we were attacked by Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, we invade Iraq.
Difference is we went into the right countries in WW2.
never have happened during WWII.
Our govt didn't have to lie to us, like they did with Iraq.
Thank God this dumb internet wasn't around.
-yea how would you make baseless attacks against liberals without it eh?
The entire country sacrificed everything to win.
Because it was a JUST war, unlike Iraq. There was a real stake in joining the fight against the Axis powers.
should we be fighting, etc., but it didn't.
-because there was no need for it, our govt didnt lie, we were actually fighting the enemies who attacked us, and there was a true threat to the world.
Are you an American or not?
Yes, and as an American I disagree with the government and it's actions, i have the right to do so under the 1st Amendment. I also don't agree with the idea that we should suppress free speech, like you are condoning,
2007-02-09 15:23:50 · answer #2 · answered by Liberals love America! 6 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Who are you to say I am not an American? What makes an American?, being a mindless zombie who follows the President regardless of how he is driving our country into the ground? And when do we "win" the war and at what cost? How many dead is "enough"? The war with Iraq is over and a new Civil war has begun. Remember "Mission Accomplished?" I care about our troops and want them home and too bad if you disagree with me. Troops also fought for my right to "Freedom of Speech" or have you forgotten that? "Pride" is not worth losing anymore precious lives over. What happened to our objective?, to capture OBL? I can rally around our troops without supporting this war or this disgrace of a president. You don't seem to care how long the troops stay over there or how many more are lost, do the ends justify the means? Remember there are Republicans, conservatives , Democrats AND liberals in Iraq! You don't have the right to question ANYONE'S patriotism.
2007-02-09 13:52:31 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋
Liberals are a hard bunch to understand. Baffled me for years until I heard the best explanation ever by Dr. Micheal Savage "Liberalism is a mental disorder".
They have problems. First of all, your average modern liberal in the news today are people that were smoking dope and dropping acid in the 60's and 70's. They don't even realize they have a problem. They believe their way is the only way, and come hell or high water you are going to live your life the way they say.
There is also the issue that their core values and real intents are beginning to be seen and understand by the great unwashed masses. They are anything but "liberal". They really are socialists that posess strong beliefs in the lunatic rantings of people like Karl Marx and those of that persuasion.
Then there is the entire taxatioin issue. Liberals believe that whatever you are payng in taxes directly or indirectly isn't enough. They won't stop their efforts until ALL of your income is turned over to the government for redistribution.
Liberals are also angry. The few liberals I've had the displeasure of being forced to work with or work under me were just pi$$ed off at the entire world, all day, ever day. The only thing that would bring a liberal any joy was the news of a Republican or Conservative either dying or being arrested for something. Even at that, thier happiness was short lived.
They might be particulary angry recently because Air America finaly went up on the auction block as many predicted they would. Their one lone voice (besides CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, the NYT etc.....) went bust.
Liberals don't want us to win in Iraq for the same reason they don't want us to win at anything. It's all about Bush. Anything to make Bush bad or worse than he already looks now. Even after he's gone, they'll still be pounding on Bush.
Where I live, we had a republican Governor that got busted and went to prison for a year. You might think this would have made the liberals happy and filled with joy. But you would have thought wrong. 2 years later, there are STILL letters to editors and lunatic columnists ranting on about John Rowland. Good lord, it's over. Yesterday's news. Get over it and live longer.
Dr. Savage really summed it up the best, "Liberalism is a mental disorder". What else can anyone add to that other than it's probably untreatable?
2007-02-10 05:37:37 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 3⤋
I am former military. I came a hair length away from re-enlisting after 9/11. I would have been (and would still be) happy to go to Afghanistan to hunt bin-Laden and Al Qaeda.
On the other hand, I would have been really pissed off to have been sent to Iraq for a war based on lies. I am an American, a highly patriotic one, but I am an American who expects the best of myself, my government and my fellow citizens.
I will not tolerate a government that acts criminally anymore than I would tolerate a family member that is addicted to crack. I would get them help and try to get them to change. That is the 5 cents version of my answer.
2007-02-09 14:44:27 · answer #5 · answered by sleser001 2 · 4⤊ 0⤋
They want the US to win just as much as conservatives do but what exactly constitutes a "win" in Iraq? US generals have said that the US needs at least twice the amount of troops to even to begin to think about winning & Bush has all US troops fighting in Iraq under strict "rules of engagement" that not only hurt them severely but it grealy helps the terrorists who don't play by any "rules". US troops are undermanned & they are fighting a war with one arm tied behind their backs & NOBODY can win a war like that.
2007-02-09 14:13:48 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
Alessa is right on. How dare you say I am not American nor patriotic. I am not liberal but I am not conservative either. Who the heck do you think you are? Are you afraid to have a healthy dialog so important in a democracy? Why would you? If your side is right they will win if not they will lose. That is life and that's how it works. We have to accept the results of our actions, beliefs and the crop we sow. How do you know there were no decenters during WWII. I bet there were.
2007-02-09 14:13:37 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
Although I would not call my self a liberal ... I take issue with your rendition of History. There was a strong anti war movement before and during WWII.
Besides that, To answer your question, Yes they are Americans if they were born within the USA, its’ territories, or to citizens abroad.
As for why liberals don't want use to win the war... well I guess you would have to ask the liberal(s) that fired the top general(s) that recommended sending more troops BEFORE the war started....
2007-02-09 13:44:23 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
Republicans have had about four years in Iraq. They are incompetent. They can't get the job done. Liberals won WW2 in the same timeframe. Liberals won the American Revolution and WW1 also. You have to have wars that are just to ask Americans to die in them. Iraq is not a just war.
Liberals clearly are registered Americans and led the vote in 2006. Deal with it. You know they are right.
2007-02-10 05:24:01 · answer #9 · answered by Gerry S 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
because there's nothing to win, how is this going to effect the every day life of us all of us. what do we have to gain from this, unless your an oil tycoon your not going to gain for this.you can't compare this to WWII to because what was happening than is nothing compared to what is happening now i love history and read it as a hobby so if you want to argue than mail me but i am a proud American and i think our country is safe it could be safer if our troops weren't getting killed as quickly as possible and they were able to return home , of course not all we went in there and destroyed the place we have a responsibility to help set it back up and try to set up a balance for them but why does it have to our choice for what type of government they want , in WWII we were helping many country's that were being viciously over taken by psychotic power crazy dictators , in the case of the Iraq occupation it's reversed and were the bad guy this time
2007-02-09 14:57:01 · answer #10 · answered by auntie s 4 · 4⤊ 0⤋