Why is it when, a question about the PATRIOT Act is raised, liberals...?

Question

always say that famous Ben Franklin quote about security and liberty, but they appear to not make the connection of their own hypocrisy of global warming? You guys dislike people who use more gas than needed, yet, if i decide to give up my hummer(if i had one) that would be sacrificing liberty for security. Is it Mindless sheep or boring rhetoric?

2nd respondant, are you kidding me???? Its giving freedom up, for the security of not having tides rise,

3rd respondant, you not supporting the PATRIOT Act and wanting to get rid of it is violating my security to not be blown up by terrorists. Do you see how non-sensical your answer is now?

3rd respondant, exactly, to make DAM sure that driving hummers actually does significant damage to the earth.... seems sort of a scare tactic

actually Cut the Crap(jim w), the only people who have brought up a good point was the bill of rights, but still, a very poor job of arguing on the liberals part. I am actually disappointed in their attempt. a lot of them just went off into tireless rants that put me to sleep. Most are just attacks upon me.

Answer 1

when you use your hummer, you are violating MY right to live in a world where the ocean stays where it belongs. Your argument is like saying the police shouldn't be able to arrest a murderer because liberty is more important than security.

No. Polluting and destroying the earth is NOT a freedom.

No. The Patriot Act is sacrificing liberty for security, your right not to be blown up by terrorist is (theoretically, seems you're still alive and kicking) being violated by terrorists. The U.S. can stop them without breaking the law. When they violate these rights, they themselves are committing state terrorism, and it affects not just the terrorists as I'm sure you believe but ANYONE. That's what these legal protections are for... to make DAM SURE that the people they lock up are guilty of committing crimes.


There is a scientific consensus that humans are causing global warming. This justifies Congressional funding for research into alternative fuel sources and, for the moment, emissions standards and in the future, legislation requiring new fuel sources to be used. This legislation will make it EASIER for these initiatives to take place with the softest economic impact, because when you make all car manufacturers meet the same standards, they all suffer the same burden and it does not affect competition.


I hope you don't consider this a "personal attack" simply because I disagree with you. You're wrong, but I didn't call you stupid... it's a clever argument, but I'd like to think I've pointed out the flaws in this argument if you're willing to open your mind.

Answer 2

They dont realize that the government has been enforcing the PATRIOT Act for years before it was authorized.
They scream whine and cry like infants thinking they will change something if they whine long enough and hard enough.

Giving up a hummer would not be sacrificing liberty for security they are two very different thing. Scientists the world over believe in global warming, generally it is just conservatives who refuse to believe it.
They refuse to believe it because the reality of global warming is bad for corporate America. Corporate America controls the Republican party ( Democratic Party too) therefor they are in overdrive trying to get the word out that global warming is a hoax, crazy science and not to be believed.

Also people tend to quote Ben Franklin because it makes them feel like they know something, when really they dont.

Answer 3

I urge you to get some sleep. These things are not related. Being responsible to others on this planet by only using what you truly need is not sacrificing liberty. Because you may feel it's your God-given right as an American to drive whatever you want, wherever you want doesn't make it so. Once you come to the realization that Americans are also part of the global community, we'll be safer from terrorism and global warming.

Answer 4

This question is a great example of the non-linear thinking that I have missed from you since they got your level 5 account deleted.

You are correct about 2 things: Liberals raise that Ben Franklin quote daily to tout the loss of something that law abiding citizens never knew they had. In fact, nothing has been lost. They are wrong about what the Patriot Act means. They are apparently unaware that the Fed has been listening on our phones and reading our mail for 40 years or more.

Secondly, the issue of rights. Your right to purchase a hummer is no less of a right than anyone's right to privacy. It might be a value judgment, to be sure. But they are both rights.

But to answer your question, which many of these failed to do, the quote has become a talking point. It is totally taken out of context, and Mr. Franklin is spinning in his grave.

Answer 5

The facts of global climate change are real.

You can argue all you want.

The fact that you don't want to be inconvenienced or hold yourself responsible for your part in contributing to global climate change is more of subject of endangering the planet not securing your safety or liberty.

However if we used alternative fuel sources we wouldn't have the need for foreign oil and would not have to war with other countries to secure our economic control over foreign oil.

You can use the arguement the administration is trying to persuade the public with but that horse don't pull anymore!!

More Americans are finding out more and more what this war in the Middle East is really all about!

Answer 6

emissions produced by companies are not covered in the bill of rights, the way that privacy and speech are. That's why. And nobody is saying to get rid of hummers, they are saying we should remain competitive in this world and recognize our impact. Ever wonder why countries that heed environmental impact are encroaching on our production...like cars?

Answer 7

How does owning a gas guzzling freakishly large military minded vehicle make you more free? Just because you can own it? I think you confuse freedom & liberty with mindless consumerism and consumption just because you can. Liberals aren't hypocritical when it comes to global warming. We rely on sound science and scientists who have been talking about global warming for decades.

Answer 8

I don't think it's a stretch at all to go from your Hummer to security. Aren't the liberals bleating that we should all drive small cars so that we aren't as reliant on foreign oil?

And it's mindless sheep. You know the deal - liberals rarely practice what they preach.

If someone is insistent that driving a big truck is a violation of his/her rights, they certainly shouldn't be having children - talk about making a major impact on the environment.

And you libbies out there need to quit making snap judgments on people. Some of really *do* have reasons for driving big trucks. It sure as hell isn't because we like paying to fill 'em up.

Answer 9

Because the Patriot act isn't about keeping Americans safe,,it's about keeping Bush safe from Americans. Global Warming is an actually threat

Answer 10

Trading in your Hummer for a Prius would NOT be sacrificing liberty for security. It would be sacrificing selfishness for altruism. Let me guess: you're scratching the back of your head, saying, "Huh?"