hello there, is there anyone out there that could give me advice please on mounting a welsh section D?

Question

He is 4yrs old was started last summer and partly backed, he will sometimes allow us to mount him completely but if you get on his back he will buck for england. He got away with bucking people off with his previous owners and they were to worried to re mount him, so now as soon as you are on him he bucks you off. Any ideas plz.

Answer 1

whats a welsh section D,i,ve heard of a welsh cob.?

Answer 2

Will he buck if someone is holding his head when you get on? You have to find a way of breaking the cycle.

Although the first thing should be to check he is 100% comfortable with the saddle.

Change the circumstances in which you usually mount, make him think about something else, have the person on the ground ask him to do something so his attention is not fixed on the person on his back. Gradually increase the time spent on his back. Five minutes, get off and reward if he hasn't thought about bucking!

Answer 3

You need to get a vet and a chirpracter out to your horse - it sounds like he is in pain and having someone on his back causes him more pain. If the vet and chirporacter are happy that there is nothing wrong with him then have a proffessional saddlefitter check the fit of your tack as if it doesn't fit properly than that can cause pain as well.

If all that is ok, then you could take him back to the beginning. Start with some join up and get your horse to trust you completly. Once he is properly joined up then start introducing the saddle again and if he is ok with that then you should try and find someone at your stables who is light and a good rider, who can cope with the horse's bucks. Get them to lean across the saddle and slowly put some weight on the horse's back. Once this is going well, then they can swing their leg over, and sit up slowly.

If he is still bucking every time you get on him, then you might need to find a proffessional who can help you, but make sure that you are happy with their methods, that they don't beat the horses into submission or anything - someone who uses holistic methods or join up.

Good luck with him and don't give up.

Answer 4

I had a Welsh Sec C at 3 yrs old he had been lightly backed when i got him and he was a total nightmare. Have his back checked (if you have not done this already) also check his saddle, an ill fitting saddle can cause huge problems. Does he buck in all paces? On getting the back checked on mine i found he was stiff down his left side. Consider sending him to a local riding school so they can use him as a schooling pony. I did that with mine. im not great with young horses and i was at my wits end. He has come back a better horse, he is 5 now. He is still stroppy but i am putting that down to bad manners which i am trying to curb. He is more manageable now but you have to be really firm with him. Dont let it get you down, it is really hard when you got a horse that wont behave but if you can get a happy medium that you can work with its all worth it.

Answer 5

Hi. I have had several welsh section Ds and they can be a little sharp.

I presume you have had his back tack and teeth all checked by qualified personnel.

Firstly he may be cold backed. Lunge him for 10 minutes or so in tack to get him "warmed up" before you mount him.

My advice would be to start him again from the beginning and get him listening to you. I have seen Monty Roberts use various methods, one of which is a "dumb jockey" which is like a scarecrow that is tied onto the saddle so it cannot come off and they eventually give up.

Other methods i have found are the abbott davies balancing rein, which is an extremely good method as it humanely attaches the front end to the tail via a series of pulleys and makes it impossible for them to buck. it's a damned good schooling aid too.

If the worst comes to the worst, either wait for the next monty roberts show to come to town and volunteer your horse or contact kelly marks (via google).

Good luck

Answer 6

He's bucking becaue he is not properly backed and broken, despite any claims made otherwise by his last owners. Did they try to break him themselves?
He has become a liability, they've taught him he can get away with it.
If you don't know how to break a horse, its best that you send him away to be broken again.
If you are confident around horses then I recommend you try the 'starting' method described by Monty Roberts in his book 'The Man Who Listens to Horses'. A couple of sessions should hopefully change his attitude towards you.
I'd then start backing him from scratch as if he were unbroken. He also needs to learn stable manners as his attitude isn't good.

Answer 7

Fun Fun : ) You need to get on him in a controlled enclosed environment. A 50' round pen is perfect. You need to get his respect on the ground first. Do a lot of groundwork and ground driving. Also take a lariat and loop it around his flank. Have him travel around the round pen and put just a couple of ounces of pressure on the rope. He'll start bucking away, when he stops bucking and relaxes, release the pressure. To this over and over until he doesn't mind the pressure at all. That will break his rodeo career. When you do get to riding him, make sure you get him moving forward. Lope him around that pen quite a bit with a nice loose rein. If he starts bucking pull his head to one side. He can't buck unless his head and neck are straight and lower than his withers. Good Luck!

Answer 8

Your welsh cob isn't properly broken yet, most young horses behave like that until they accept the rider on their back. Try lunging him with his tack on so he gets used to it before you mount him.

I usually back my horses for the first few times bareback in a stable with a high roof. This is very incorrect by BHS recommendations but if you make you pony think it is just another part of the grooming process they don't think anything of it, also being bareback means you can slide off easily if you have to. Then, when you come to do it outside with tack on, they don't think it is strange at all. I used this method on my 17 hand dressage horse & he just turn round to nibble my foot.

Section D's can be funny. I used to ride one which never really got bucking out of his system. As they have a powerful, short neck, when they bronc properly it can be almost impossible to stay put no matter how good the riders glue is.

If you can afford it,I would suggest you send your horse to a professional yard for a couple of weeks as it would be far safer for someone to re-back your horse in an enclosed arena with people working him that are used to handling this type of horse.

If you can't afford professional help, start just by leaning across his back so he gets used to feeling your weight. When he can be led round quietly with someone lying across his back, gentle bring your leg over so you are sat astride him, but lean down his neck so that you aren't sat tall above him. When he can be led around like this, you start to slowly sit up on him. It can take a long time.

If you are still struggling with him, stuff a feed bag with straw to make a dummy rider & tie it to the saddle. Then you can lunge your horse & let him buck until he is bored of it without the worry of anyone staying on.

As your horse has learnt that he can get the rider off by bucking, it may be harder to make him realise that bucking isn't an option than starting with a completely untouched horse which hasn't learnt that little party trick!

Whereabouts are you based? I'm in Gloucestershire & if there is anything I can do to help would be more than happy to assist. Please feel free to email me.

Answer 9

that's a difficult one! you ideally need to break this bad habit as soon as possible. if you can get a very light weight rough rider on him and get them to ride through the bucking it should help. Alternatively once tacked up half Mount him by lying across his back for a couple of minutes at a time then gradually stay there longer eventually sit on his back and he should accept a rider. best of luck with it, if any of these suggestions don't work email me via my avatar for more ideas.