Do you agree with this concerning Iraq?

Question

The carnage being seen in Iraq is the result of the problems and the failures of the entire Islamic world. There is no unity and leadership.


Just a though people.

Kill_the_poor, I am not American. I am in fact a Muslim. Just a thought dude. Be careful how you throw things at people.

I am actually critical of the US for starting the whole thing in the first place, and how it exploited Iraq and the scenario after the end of the first Gulf War.

Yes Jaco, I am aware that the Americans did help the Taliban during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afganistan.

In fact, that is where most of the extremist entity came from. Not from The Koran as some people claim.

Yes Jaco, I am aware that the Americans did help the Taliban during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afganistan.

In fact, that is where most of the extremist entity came from. Not from The Koran as some people claim.

That's part of the reason why 9/11 happen. Those extremists were fighting for the cause of Palestine.

Rich, I agree. I was never a fan of Saddam. You should now that his tyranny was supported by the US during the Iraq Iran war.

Did any of those Arab or Muslim states say anything about how Saddam violated human rights? No a single word.

Just as I said, no unity. The Arab states think too much about themselves. The Saudi monarch is too lazy to use even 1% of thier brain. It still amazes me as to how the Middle Eastern leaders can't properly solve the Israeli Palestinian conflict over the past 60 years.

All parties are to blame.

Guy O, mmm...interesting. I haven't got the chance to watch the movie, but I will when I have the time.

Answer 1

Yes, it is the problem of the entire Islamic world.

The individual(s), the group, Ulamas, ruling authorities that tarnished the image of Islam.

They interprete and made fatwas, rules as they wish. As if they are representative(s) of Allah. We object them, they call us infidels (as they like).

Malaysia is comparatively more liberal / rational compared to Pakistan,India, Bangladesh & Indonesia. But still, there are so many Islamic scholar, holding higer posts that are have ruined the religion by implementing syariah laws ACCORDING to their (ill) interpretations. Everything in Islam here is too rigid, too trivial too harsh. These are the people who made themselves as the representatives of GOD!

They cannot accept that there are good followers and some are non practice Muslims. Non fasting Muslims eating in Public during Ramadan is caught by the syariah authority and fined here in M'sia.

Hey, ever since the 80s, there aws this Ulama said we cannot shake hands between men & women. Today, I hardly know my female relatives. What the hell is going on here in our Muslim society?

Rendezvous/dating (khalwat) is caught and fined.
Illigitimate (Muslim) person would have difficulties to get married. (Imagine the lifetime humiliations and all the troubles he/she has to go thru)

The Muslims marriage between two nations also has to be refered to the local syariah authorities and have to go thru all sort of trivial / disappointing things.

That is Malaysia, I just cannot imagine the rest of the world. Islamic ruling authorities are so irrational, so foolish.

I was working in Jeddah Saudi. I have got to learned that these ARAB ahve different etnics and most of them do not trust each other. This man (in his 50s) told me I was lucky to become a Muslim and that made me just a class below the Arab Muslims. The infidels are lowest. What the hell is that? Can't believe how they passed this to their children. Islam has messed up, by all our Muslim people, be it individuals, group, worst still, the ruling authorities.

I believe that the early Jews and Firaun as mentioned in the AlQuran is just a reference of people who (although witnesssed the true revelation) still choose not to obey God. The MESSAGE is not to repeat that. Today the Muslims are acting like the Firaun & the then-Jews.

Gotta go now.

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Answer 2

Yeah, unlike America where we're a completly united country under George Bush. Talk about a lack of leadership and unity, geez.
The carnage in Iraq was unleashed by our presidents stupidity. It was known for a long time that Sadaam was the thing keeping the lid on Iraq. Dont' believe me? Go back and watch the movie 3 Kings; the references to what's happening now were being made 5 years before Sept 11. In a movie!
Sadaam was an S.O.B., but fewer people were dying under his rule. There weren't 50 bodies a day showing up in the street. Sometimes you gotta choose between the lesser of two evils.

Answer 3

I think you are right in part, that the Islamic world missed the industrial revolution, and the political development that went with it, and when oil was discovered there, there were no countries or institutions capable of dealing with what happened. What leadership was there was easily manipulated, bribed, or bullied by the worlds big powers into giving the oil they wanted, while the local populations were not brought up to speed either in political, economic, social, or military development to match the powers they were dealing with. Iraq was dominated by Saddam with support from the US, partly so he would irritate and attack Iran, but also so he would control Iraq and keep the oil flowing. In doing so he brutalized the majority of Iraqis with the minority of Sunnis. Now that he has been removed, there are no social or political institutions to fill the vacuum left behind.
None of what is happening now would be if BushOilCo had not toppled Saddam for their own agenda.
The Saudi Prince could probably stop all of this with one statement, but in any event, there is not the leadership or institutions in place in the Middle East yet to handle the problems and responsibilities of the 21st century.

Answer 4

I am neither american nor islamic. The current leadership in Iraq was imposed upon it by americans. What people might term as a puppet govt. There are a lot of islamic nations in the world who does not have the problems of Iraq. The only additional thing the Iraqis got are american occupiers. And there were no such 'carnage' in Saddam's time. Are you aware that america supported
taliban when they were fighting soviets?? America aided Saddam when he waged his war with Iran killing millions on both sides.

Answer 5

As a Muslim, you should have been more critical of Saddam and how he treated his own people. How did you feel when he wiped out hundreds of thousands of your fellow Muslims? As a Christian, I found what he did repugnant. I have not agreed with our overall policy in Iraq, particularly after Saddam and the Baathists were overthrown, and that 3 democratic elections have been held. I believe our job is done. Sectarian violence has little or nothing to do with US action. Shias & Sunnis have been fighting for hundreds of years, and will continue to do so until both sides respects the other. Iran and Saudi Arabia are edging itself into a regional conflict because one is Shia, the other Sunni, and both are financing each side. When our troops move out, don't be surprised if Saudi troops take up the void. If that's done, I'm quite sure Iran will increase their roles in Iraq. Islamic fundamentalists are not only causing conflicts in Iraq and underminding efforts to stabilize the country, but they are in conflicts in Somalia, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bosnia, Spain, Britian, France, Kashmir, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other nations. They give Islam a bad name. That's the primary problem. The image of Islam is being slammed by its own people. But, US troops should come home.

Answer 6

Yes, I agree with that statement. If the Muslims would get their **** together and quit killing each other (Sunni vs. Shiite) and trying to kill the rest of the world, we wouldn't need to be over there. There are many good people who are Muslim, but all we ever hear about are the extremists, like the ones who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center and Saddam Hussein who slaughtered thousands of Iraqis.

Answer 7

Saddam was poised to take over Saudi Arabia around the time of Gulf War I. It was estimated he had the 4th largest military in the world. I personally doubt that, but Saddam taking over Saudi Arabia might have been worse than America taking over Iraq. But then again, I was all for letting the middle east stew in its own juice in gulf war I. I might have been right or wrong, I don't know.

Answer 8

I'm an American, and I think most of us don't honestly know enough about the Islamic world to answer your question very well. I think we Americans (even those of us who voted against Bush) hold a great deal of the responsibility. But as a lot of the violence is sectarian, those values also have contributed to the carnage.

Answer 9

Hardly a single cause but to some extent there is some truth to what you posit. Unfortunately, the west has been exploiting those failures and the lack of organization and using "religion", exploits those weaknesses further. And that has been going on from the Crusades to today.

Answer 10

Yes, I think Iraq is so ingrained with negativity, hatred, oppression that any surface problems can be attributed to underlying causes that have been seething for many centuries.